Upgrades people… upgrades. My first bottle of Petrus, it wasn’t quite what I expected. Very strange to be honest, and I’m not sure I’d have another. Perhaps next time I’ll have to have the French version to see if they’ve improved on the Belgian’s recipe.
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Since you aren’t following your own thread rule by posting beer, I will take the moment to say we have an actual beer thread and nobody bites.
In fact we would love to have more participants, even young peoples.
And I promise I won’t repeat this sentiment, but many have asked to be included who are older than twenty something. I think that speaks to a need so Why not include all people who are possibly new(er) to wine rather than just of a certain age? (Or maybe someone should create one!)
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Yes, would love to have more folks posting in the Beer thread! Love the active participants we do have, but there’s always room for more. 
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The rules were already adjusted! I do believe ages beginning with 3 fall within the 20-80 rule, unless you’re an 18th century cathedral. In that case, you probably aren’t interested in talking about wine anyways. In all seriousness, please don’t feel like you cannot participate due to your age. Make a comment, create some conversation, and discuss wines with people who are likely to be younger than the average wine enthusiast.
I’m aware of the beer thread. This is the only beer I’ve had in weeks, so I didn’t feel inclined to post it there. I had to order it when I saw Petrus on the menu! You’ll find I’m not very good at sticking to rules I’ve set. My only ask is that this remains a 90% wine-related thread.
Perfect for WB
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That is just a bunch of old guys - granted, one is a study and good-looking beast of an athlete - bloviating about wines released before these young bucks were born! They don’t wanna hear all that bloviating! I told you we shoulda done a TikTok!
keep proving you have no idea what you are talking about, old man!
Agreed.
We moved away from a Club to the mailing list because we want people to have the wines they are excited to have. Even if all the wines are good, there will still be wines that speak to you more clearly or specific wines that you want to explore.
We have a few people that really like our wines and don’t want to pick. I get that, so we do offer the wine club but that really doesn’t seem like it would suit Berserkers.
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Unfortunately the only way to do numbers on TikTok is to post a magnum bottle shot of l’Ultime. Don’t print in the paper that I’m jealous.
Shared this in the ‘what bottle of wine did you open today (part 2)’ thread but will share here as well.
It can be hard to be enamored with a niche of wine but not be able to taste its tentpole bottles — especially on this site, where it seems like my grail wines can be others weekend bottles with friends (not shaming, more power to those on here with your verticals of Allemand in your cellar).
Given the age demographic here, I think one of the achievements of this thread should be to showcase those bottles and producers that are representative of some of the best things about our favorite regions, at a fraction of the cost of those unassailable producers. Enter my love for Cornas and Mickael Bourg.
While it’s still not inexpensive, at its price point I am able to build a relationship with this producer in a way that lets me really get to taste variations by vintage and build a cellar. I have several bottles from 2016, 17, 19, and 22 at the moment, all of which offer wildly different profiles representative of vintage while still being excellent. I may not be able to taste Allemand (yet), but I can find a diet Allemand that lets me explore the best of a region I love while I’m still in my exploratory phase. Would love to hear what regions some of you have grown to love and what producers you feel helped you ‘get’ those areas!
On to the tasting notes:
2017 Mickael Bourg Les P’tits Bouts:
Nose: blackberry, plum. No vegetation. Perfectly nice but not as thought provoking as some other Bourgs IMO
Taste: still black fruit but lighter than expected. Maybe some red fruit hiding. Iron, some thick tannin that elongates the length of the sip and gives it some grip. But not as long as finish as hoped. Maybe some back end green taste on the finish?
Unbelievable with braised English short rib. Perfect pairing to limit the tannin and heighten the power of the wine. Not as easy drinking on its own.
Decanted for ~2 hours before dinner.
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Fantastic! Appreciate the valuable contribution and thoughtful note. The perfect addition to this thread.
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Opened 3 hours before hand. Just a delicious wine. Down to my last three. Much to my girlfriend’s chagrin I’ll be putting the remainder away until 2028. Pretty sure I paid under 35$ on BD.
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One of the most impressive young Oregon wines I have tried!
Fantastic post, Jack!
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diet Allemand is an all-timer
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As I taste more and begin stocking away bottles in my cellar, I’ve been trying to challenge myself to define my own palate outside of prestige and hype. As many on this board advise, it’s no use having a cellar full of well-regarded wines if you don’t personally care for them.
For instance: do I even like Chardonnay? It’s right up there when it comes to prestigious varietals, and it’s grown all over the globe in a million different styles. I’ve tried a couple examples that really excited me (21 Fornerol CdN Villages and 19 Element Chard from the FLX come to mind), but most underwhelm. Unfortunately this was one of the latter.
2022 Villa Maria Chardonnay Single Vineyard Keltern - New Zealand, North Island, Hawke's Bay (9/5/2026)
PnP at cellar temp. Musky florals and stonefruit. Bitter oak poked through. Gave it some time to come around but never felt integrated and complete to my palate. Not a rebuy. (88 points)
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I’m not going to get into a massive thread drift about the existence of objective standards of quality - especially not about coffee, which isn’t my area of expertise (I will leave that to @Zachgoldstein ), but in this example, if we are talking about how *I* like my coffee, and I say it depends at least partly on the quality, then why would anyone else’s standards but mine be relevant?
In any case, I am familiar with this theory of yours from way back. It doesn’t work for me so much, but I think it could be useful to a point.
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Thankfully, there is hope for your generation given the three replies to my post. Not that I’m judgmental or a snob…
Cleaned up the thread - too much of the coffee talk, which I moved where it belongs:
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