Wines at Grand Sichuan (Donnhoff, ZH, Rhys, Maison Ilan, and more...)

Dinner with Suzanne, Jay, Zach, and after what seems like ages, the Count himself at Grand Sich last night. Great company, the GS kitchen was on form with all their dishes, and we had some pretty spectacular wines. A really fun evening - thanks all.

(there was also a sherry that I don’t recall, but I’ll trust Mikhail to fill in)

2013 Jutta Weinbau Ambrositsch Glockenturm Gemischter Satz
Pleasant but quite unexciting. There’s plenty of bright fruit tinged with floral notes and a lively acid spine beneath that balances the very faint sweetness, but it’s not particularly interesting and seems a bit one-note. Refreshing, but this drinks like a basic QbA Riesling, unfortunately at twice the price.

1971 Schloss Reinhartshausen Erbacher Hohenrain Riesling Spätlese
Z’s birthyear, so there’s another excuse to pop a 1971er. This is absolutely phenomenal, and everything that I want a great mature Riesling to be. The scent is an immediate wow with all sorts of developed honeyed, smoky, autumnal forestal and pine needle flavours, but beneath there’s still plenty of brightness to the more youthful fruit and floral elements. The palate presence is stunning, incredibly polished and graceful with bright acids keeping it very lively, and this is just a fantastic Riesling.

2008 F.X. Pichler Riesling Smaragd Loibner Steinertal
Tastes as if this came from rock rather than grapes. Powerful and intense on the palate with plenty of extract and waves of vivid stony and saline mineral elements framing fresh orchard fruits and herbal elements. There’s a sense of lightness on the palate with the acidity keeping it very precise and focused, and it finishes with great length.

2005 Nigl Riesling Privat
I couldn’t focus on this as much as I would have liked to, with the Reinhartshausen and Pichler in my other glasses, but this was very nice. Ripe fruit, stony minerality, a faint touch of reduction at first that cleared with a little air to give way to brighter floral aromas, very elegant.

2009 Marie-Noelle Ledru Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée du Goulté
A strange showing - I really liked this when I had a bottle a few weeks ago, but this seemed a bit simple in contrast with some bright fruit and doughy notes, but not showing the depth I recall. With air it opened up some, though this was a bit disappointing given my usual high expectations for Ledru. I’m curious to see how leftovers develop.

2007 Rhys Pinot Noir Family Farm Vineyard
Liked but didn’t love this. There’s lots of ripe red fruit here tinged with some brambly and cola notes, the texture’s quite polished and elegant but it feels a touch soft on the palate as well and the finish is a bit clipped.

2010 Maison Ilan Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Les Corbeaux
After all the talk on here, it’s always interesting to actually sit down with one of the Maison Ilan wines. First impressions from the aromatics are quite pleasant, with lots of bright red fruits framed by more savoury earthy and faintly oaky accents, but from there it’s all downhill. The palate feels a bit thin and hollow in the middle, not living up to the initial fragrance, and with more air the scent becomes quite offputting as the oak flavours deepen in intensity and overwhelm the fruit.

2002 Mount Langi Ghiran Shiraz Mast Rare Reserve Block
Damn is this good. A really great, old school Aussie Shiraz with plenty of fruit that’s certainly ripe, but not heavy or overripe, and accented by the start of developing smoky, leathery, and other savoury earthy flavours. The balance here is fantastic - intense on the palate with plenty of power, yet also quite graceful with bright acids and a grainy tannin spine keeping the fruit in check. This kept getting better and better with air. Thanks Count.

1998 Zind-Humbrecht Riesling Clos Windsbuhl Vendange Tardive
This is a powerhouse; incredibly intense and concentrated on the palate with layers of ripe fruit, honey, floral notes, and faint spicy accents. It’s a big wine but not over the top as some ZHs can be, the balance is quite good with fairly bright acids to match the sweetness and the alcohol kept in check, though it still feels quite youthful and primary. Goes very nicely with the spicier Sichuan dishes.

1998 Dönnhoff Oberhäuser Brücke Riesling Eiswein
A thrilling wine, a high wire act of incredibly intense, concentrated passionfruit, white cherries, Meyer lemons, and all sorts of other ripe citrus and tropical fruit flavours accented with honey, flowers, and higher toned spicy elements. The balance is again phenomenal with powerful acids that give it an incredibly elegant palate presence despite the massive sweetness, and incredible length. Very much wow stuff.

amazing night. and the wines were great too. my notes coming soon - just got home with Z.

awesome notes. i love the “vinified from pure rock” sense one can get from top austrian riesling, especially steinertal - for me it’s ground zero for minerality in wine.

the donnhoff sounds incredible.

Love me those 71ers.

Great time. I think I felt similarly about all the wines. The Reinhartshausen had the most beautiful nose… Among the rest, the Pichler was stellar. I didn’t care for the Maison Ilan either; it was overly stemmy and oaky for me, and it did have that big hole in the midpalate. I’ve only tried two of their wines and neither impressed.

Agreed. Steinertal is holy ground.

Pichler + Chinese food, I’ll just say yes please.

I thought the Ilan wines were zero new oak from 2010 onwards?

Can I guess which wine Suzanne did not bring?

I was at Edi & The Wolf watching your instagram shots…

Robert I didn’t bring any riesling, sherry or domestic pinot.
Salil your notes are very good.

Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great time!

Thanks for the notes!

What dishes did you guys order?

That 1971 schloss Reinhartshausen Spatlese is up there in my top 10 wines of the year at the moment. Beautiful amazing autumnal aromatics and nearly as good on the palate.

I’ve given up on Ledru. I don’t care how many of my friends love the wine, I don’t get it.

I liked the Rhys more than Salil. It did not show nearly as much cola as the last bottle I opened, it had a very attractive tarry note. That said I still believe that 2008 was the vintage where Family Farm
really started firing on all cylinders.

I also liked the Maison Ilan more than he did. A pleasant wine and one that I’d happily pay $20 or so for.

I liked the Zind Humbrecht much less and the Eiswein, while wonderful, was not not half the thrill for me of the 1971.

The Sherry was the La Cigarrera VOS - beautiful wine and 10x better than a Bodegas Tradicion version from the night before (I’ll have to post those notes soon).


Other than that I’m generally in agreement.

That was great sherry.

Someone always says this at any dinner I attend when a Rhys is opened. I dunno, I just don’t seem to enjoy the wines as much as others.

I also liked the Maison Ilan more than he did. A pleasant wine and one that I’d happily pay $20 or so for.

I would have gladly paid about $15 or so for it. For 20 I’d try to just get a basic Fleurie (Coudert?) instead.

But man, that Reinhartshausen was something else.

Berry: tea smoked duck, red cooked pork belly with chestnuts, pork soup dumplings, cold sesame dan dan noodles, lamb with cumin, shredded beef with green pepper, gui zhou chicken. Great food.

GRAND SICH AND THE EISWEIN SHOW - (10/9/2014)

Thanks to Salil for inviting me. It has been too long, old friend! Loved getting together with Jay and Suzanne - as always and glad to meet another “beserker” in Zachary.
The food was good, the wines were lovely and the company - excellent. Can we do this again? soon? please?? :slight_smile:

  • 2013 Jutta Weinbau Ambrositsch Glockenturm - Austria, Wien, Wiener Gemischter Satz
    sweet notes of ripe apricots and peaches. bit strange/short on the finish. ripe mid with a bit of RS. but lacking in acidity. This is fun but rather soft and benign. call it “happy wine” - but not at the price it is offered at! (89 pts.)
  • 1971 Schloss Reinhartshausen Erbacher Hohenrain Riesling Spätlese - Germany, Rheingau
    One of the best mature rieslings i have had. especially at the spatlese level. Started off a touch musty but that and the kerosine blew off to reveal notes of autumnal leaves and pine needles. With time - even a bit of caramel. the palate reveals sweet fruit with spices, touch nutty, with a core of minerality. very light, and finishes with a hint of forest floor. long finish. Just an amazing experience. (95 pts.)
  • 2009 Marie-Noelle Ledru Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée du Goulté - France, Champagne, Ambonnay, Champagne
    I am the last person to judge bubly. it is almost never to my taste. This was light, with chalky and yeasty notes, great acidity. bit short on the finish. it was nice but i would rather drink a Kabinett. (90 pts.)
  • 2008 F.X. Pichler Riesling Smaragd Loibner Steinertal - Austria, Niederösterreich, Wachau
    damn good wine here. and i am not a big fan of the bigger dry Rieslings. Smoke and minerality punch you in the face, with sweet floral notes slowly developing. grapefruit and lemon peel are well balanced by the ripe mid core of sweeter fruit. a hint of spice in the back flows into the long finish. Excellent wine. (93 pts.)
  • 2005 Nigl Riesling Privat - Austria, Niederösterreich, Kremstal
    This suffered from the company. It is a much flintier, “lighter” wine, with more finesse but less power. I think in a different setting this would have shown itself better (or i should have tried it before the Pichler that is!) Elegance is the key here - with lovely floral and tropical nose and a good core of fruit ( pink grapefruit dominates) and acid in the mid. Touch of “warmth” on the finish - but not unattractive. (91 pts.)


  • 2010 Maison Ilan Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Les Corbeaux - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru
    umm… am I missing something? the nose was pretty, with ripe fruit and cherry, the mid was somehow both ripe and hollow… sweaty blackberry and boysenberry greet the front palate and then the wine just falls off a cliff - the rest is “nice” but nowhere close to the nose and the front. Very strange. notes of chocolate (huh? char?) the finish is short… I would never peg this as burgundy… (89 pts.)
  • 2007 Rhys Pinot Noir Family Farm Vineyard - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, San Mateo County
    mushroom, forest floor on the nose. great ripe red fruit in the mid - with still a youthful tannic grip. red berries and minerality come to the fore with time. amazing balance - i would even give this a few years before opening. delicious wine. (92 pts.)
  • 2002 Mount Langi Ghiran Shiraz Mast Rare Reserve Block - Australia, Victoria
    as Salil said - “Old Skool” stuff. Powerful nose of ripe black fruit and smoke, with just a hint of leather coming in. the palate is much “lighter” than the nose suggests - with black fruit being balanced by acidity and a great tannic backbone. Red fruit come to the party too - still mainly primary with maybe a hint of development. a bargain indeed! (93 pts.)


  • NV La Cigarrera Manzanilla de Sanlúcar de Barrameda Amontillado Viejo VOS - Spain, Andalucía, Manzanilla de Sanlúcar de Barrameda
    excellent stuff! pure almond notes with coffee and tar. deep rich mid but staying very light on the palate - amazing balance. Salty fino-ish tang on the long finish. beauty! cant wait to sit and sip this over an evening. (92 pts.)
  • 1998 Zind-Humbrecht Riesling Clos Windsbuhl Vendange Tardive - France, Alsace, Alsace AOC
    botrytis very present here - nose of sweet apricot and lychee syrup, and some apple pie. dry mid becoming sweeter toward the finish - still very much a dessert wine. With some time - it showed more fruit and power - gaining tropical notes and a hint of spice. Sadly not as exuberant as the Goldert was, but a great wine in its own right. long silky finish gives it the feel of a well aged Sauternes. (91 pts.)
  • 1998 Dönnhoff Oberhäuser Brücke Riesling Eiswein - Germany, Nahe
    WOW. nuts figs and fruits… in the wine that is. dark caramel color, apricot and mango jam. on the palate - everything from red berries to lemon curd - spans the whole gamut of flavors. reds yellows oranges - the notes dance in a mad acidic rush. this is just plain awesome! Thanks, brother! (96 pts.)

oh and that chicken dish is ridiculous. and pairs perfectly with any wine and any palate :slight_smile:

thanks again guys!
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Almost a year ago, we tasted most of the 2010s along with some of the 2009s. Your note seems very similar to my recollection of the 2009 Chaffots at the time. I didn’t write any formal notes, but Keith wrote the following: “Taste: As good as the nose was, this just felt like it was dumb on the palate. The medium feel was very nice with medium acidity, but there was a thinness to it as well.” Although the 2009 was thin, the 2010 Chaffots showed really well on both the nose and palate. It makes me wonder whether the MI wines will generally come across as thin in the middle. On the other hand, it could be that they enter a dumb phase about three years after the vintage.

Do you think that the off-putting fragrance due to the oak flavor deepening is related to how long these spent in the barrels?

Love Donnhoff Eiswein. Wish it was still $99 for 375ml.

Ah, the 2002 Mast Block… probably one of the top 4-5 best Garagiste deals ever. I bought a case (unusual for me) and every one of the 8-9 bottles I’ve drunk have been fantastic. If I remember correctly it was ~ $18.

I hope you had the crab soup dumplings.

Why do I feel that Suzanne will have a lot of the Corbeaux at upcoming offlines?