Wine Spectator Goes on the Offensive!

[WvanGorp]

@Claude Kolm

@WvanGorp

I enjoyed the article, though as Ray says, there wasn’t a lot in it that I found new.

The two new things, to me, were that Rudy continues to sell wine (and I’m surprised Christie’s is acting as an agent and on record states they don’t tell buyers who is the consignor) and that Ponsot suspects the forgeries may have been done by buying a cache of unlabeled, old Burgundy wines from a nearby (to Ponsot) negociant.

That was interesting; would explain how it might have been done.

Ponsot has told me that he knows who produced the “1959 Clos St-Denis” and that it in fact was 1959 Clos de la Roche. He also said he will be going to the US early next year to talk to the FBI.

This is a cliffhanger. I can’t stand the suspense.

[Daniel_Posner]

@WvanGorp

This is a cliffhanger. I can’t stand the suspense.

+1

[davetong]

@Serge Birbrair

@CWun

@Serge Birbrair

I don’t buy wines on the auctions for way too many reasons, and my advice to those who do,
NEVER buy the wines from “11 bottles” lots

Why not?

Because…
if you bought the case, and some people do, opened the bottle and didn’t like the wine, what would you do having auction house URL in your bookmarks?

Seems to me that 11 bottle lots make as much sense if not more than 12 bottles.
People buy a case, cellar it for a while, try one, decide that it’s not to their liking an they need the space so they sell it.

If there’s a whole case I’m curious as to why they didn’t try one. Are they hoping that a full case will sell for a higher price?

[Daniel_Posner]

@Serge Birbrair

Dave, here is one more argument against buying 11 bottles lots:

http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/Lawsuit-Alleges-340000-of-Bordeaux-Wine-is-Fake-_3850" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Koch alleges that 11 bottles he bought at Zachys’ single cellar auction in October of 2005 consigned by Greenberg are counterfeits.”

11 is just a bad number …

[Steve_Eisenhauer]

@Jack Bulkin

@Steve Saxon

@Peter C.

Is this news bigger than the “biggest news to ever hit Napa?”

http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=175718&highlight=montelena+sale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Notice in that thread I was the first to call Montelena…that shows you what a non event that was.

http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showpost.php?p=2267575&postcount=302" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, but I was the first to make the real call on that thread.

http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showpost.php?p=2267353&postcount=202" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[M_Smith]

“Every wine I’ve bought at a charity auction is fake, I think,” Koch said, chuckling. “I haven’t decided what to do about that.”

Billionaire Koch Expects More Fake-Wine Lawsuits in 2010
Interview by Elin McCoy

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aRiRaO4WzEF0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Bob_Kaminski]

@Serge Birbrair

Dave, here is one more argument against buying 11 bottles lots:

http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/Lawsuit-Alleges-340000-of-Bordeaux-Wine-is-Fake-_3850" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Koch alleges that 11 bottles he bought at Zachys’ single cellar auction in October of 2005 consigned by Greenberg are counterfeits.”

11 is just a bad number …

So is a “7” after the come out roll (if you play the pass line that is).

[LMD_Ermitano]

@Serge Birbrair

I don’t buy wines on the auctions for way too many reasons…

Same here. Never have, never will.

[M_Smith]

@Serge Birbrair

@LMD Ermitaño

@Serge Birbrair

I don’t buy wines on the auctions for way too many reasons…

Same here. Never have, never will.

Noel, my biggest problem is lack of billions to entertain myself with 20 years long lawsuits…but as soon as I put my hands on them, I’ll start buying on auctions and write “monumental” tasting notes


Anybody wants to sell me 11 bottles of 1937 La Lache with Napoleon Bonaparte signature to start the ball rolling?

[Udo_Hoerhold]

@Serge Birbrair

I don’t buy wines on the auctions for way too many reasons, and my advice to those who do,
NEVER buy the wines from “11 bottles” lots

Serge, you do buy bottles second hand from retailers that buy collections. Do you feel that those are safer?

[Graeme_Gee]

@davetong

Seems to me that 11 bottle lots make as much sense if not more than 12 bottles.
People buy a case, cellar it for a while, try one, decide that it’s not to their liking an they need the space so they sell it.

Quite. It’s the 10-bottle case that is the really suspicious one. The owner couldn’t believe how bad the first bottle was, so he had to open another…
cheers,
Graeme