Wine palate is changing....

[A_Gillette]

^hmmm. I think we are saying the exact opposite thing.

[David_Bu3ker]

@Berry Crawford

@David M. Bueker

Stage 12 is just a version of wine ennui, where people search for something different, and it becomes cool just because it is different. Jura will no longer be stage 12 if too many people start drinking it.

In my humble opinion Jura wines are awesome because they taste delicious.

So far I have not had any that made me regret not being a buyer. Still interested to try them when others buy, but not dropping my money. I feel about the Jura the same way I feel about Etna wines. “Umm, ok, not bad. What’s next.”

[lleichtman]

For me, all roads lead to Pinot Noir and Nebiollo. But the Pinot Noir and Nebiollo don’t all need to be the most expensive. And the Pinot doesn’t all need to come from Burgundy either.

[lleichtman]

@A.Gillette

@David M. Bueker

Stage 12 is just a version of wine ennui, where people search for something different, and it becomes cool just because it is different. Jura will no longer be stage 12 if too many people start drinking it.

In NYC, we are already experiencing the hipster backlash against the popularization of jura wines. If you want to be cool, you have to act like the jura is not cool and that anyone who likes it is similarly uncool. But there is a ton of it at stores and on wine lists, so we uncool people win.
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But, who really cares what hipsters are drinking?

[David_Bu3ker]

That’s just how they like it.

[Jim_Slatin]

I stepped into stage 9 with one foot, slipped on some overpriced burgundy , then fell into stage 10. Then I ran over to stage 11 frightened that I wouldn’t get there in time before I maxed out my credit cards on Burgundy. Thank god I got to the other side in time

Don’t get me wrong, great Burgundy is heaven; that is when you come across one that doesn’t make you feel like you just got bent over after handing over your card. The problem is there are too many just average bottles of burgundy out there , which are priced so much higher then wines of equal quality from other regions.

[Jim_Cowan]

@jhowe

My advise for someone who is relatively new to wine, say 10 years or less. Start buying Burgundy now. Buy the best you can afford and put them away for later. It doesn’t matter if you don’t particularly get Burgundy and think they all lack fruit and are overly acidic. Buy them anyway. Still buy stuff you like to drink now of course, but save some serious cellar space for Burgundy. Chances are one day you will thank me. If not, you will be able to sell or trade easily.

Best piece of buying advice I ever heard.
Had I but heeded it . . .
Best, Jim

[A_Gillette]

^maybe for red burgundy. For white, you will get totally screwed if you do that.
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[ybarselah]

@A.Gillette

^maybe for red burgundy. For white, you will get totally screwed if you do that.
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remarkably, white burgundy prices are fine.

best advice i’ve ever read. hard core, but true.

[A_Gillette]

It’s not price that concerns me. It’s oxidation. If you mean you think premox is priced in then fine as that is just a personal decision. But I’d stick with high end loire whites and top jura chard before I told someone to spend a large sum on white burgundy.
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[ky1em1ttskus]

Here’s my advice: F Burgundy. Send your kids to college instead.

[Howard_Cooper]

@A.Gillette

@David M. Bueker

Stage 12 is just a version of wine ennui, where people search for something different, and it becomes cool just because it is different. Jura will no longer be stage 12 if too many people start drinking it.

In NYC, we are already experiencing the hipster backlash against the popularization of jura wines. If you want to be cool, you have to act like the jura is not cool and that anyone who likes it is similarly uncool. But there is a ton of it at stores and on wine lists, so we uncool people win.
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I am fortunate to be old enough to have my children (now adults) convince me that I am far from cool. Therefore, having given up any attempt at being cool, I can drink what I like.

[CFu]

@A.Gillette

^hmmm. I think we are saying the exact opposite thing.

didn’t read your last sentence. I think Jura is overrated

[jhowe]

I meant mostly reds with perhaps a smattering of white, particularly Chablis. It actually didn’t occur to me that someone would think I was advocating filling a cellar with white Burgundies these days. I also see I used advise instead of advice. Surprised that wasn’t pointed out. You guys must be feeling particularly nice today.

[Markus_S]

@Howard Cooper

@A.Gillette

@David M. Bueker

Stage 12 is just a version of wine ennui, where people search for something different, and it becomes cool just because it is different. Jura will no longer be stage 12 if too many people start drinking it.

In NYC, we are already experiencing the hipster backlash against the popularization of jura wines. If you want to be cool, you have to act like the jura is not cool and that anyone who likes it is similarly uncool. But there is a ton of it at stores and on wine lists, so we uncool people win.
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I am fortunate to be old enough to have my children (now adults) convince me that I am far from cool. Therefore, having given up any attempt at being cool, I can drink what I like.

This is as it should be: hopefully we all get to the age where one really doesn’t give a hoot to popularity.

[Markus_S]

@David M. Bueker

Stage 12 is just a version of wine ennui, where people search for something different, and it becomes cool just because it is different. Jura will no longer be stage 12 if too many people start drinking it.

Jura will always be cool: it’s sub-alpine.

[A_Gillette]

^its not really the white burgundy part I object to. It’s the “buy the best you can afford”. The secret is to buy only coche, auvenay and leflaive regardless of whether you can afford them. Otherwise, you will spend all you can afford on vinegar. With coche, Leroy and leflaive you are at least going to have wine to drink. So, instead of having a bunch of white burgundy to drink, just get a bottle of auvenay auxey blanc and really savor it. At least that is what I do.

[CFu]

@A.Gillette

^its not really the white burgundy part I object to. It’s the “buy the best you can afford”. The secret is to buy only coche, auvenay and leflaive regardless of whether you can afford them. Otherwise, you will spend all you can afford on vinegar. With coche, Leroy and leflaive you are at least going to have wine to drink. So, instead of having a bunch of white burgundy to drink, just get a bottle of auvenay auxey blanc and really savor it. At least that is what I do.

i’d sub out leflaive and pick Roulot / PYCM. Leflaive has been having some pox issues as of late.

[A_Gillette]

^ive had terrible luck with roulot. Check in on your 04 and 05. You might be unpleasantly surprised. PYCM is definitely a good addition, and some of those wines are still priced right.

[Alan_Rath]

@Markus S

@Alan Rath

Don’t spend huge amounts on bottles you have no experience with.

This include Rhys??

Absolutely. I’m always amazed to see posts from people wondering if they should keep buying cases of Rhys (or any other wine), when they have a bunch in their cellar and haven’t opened any yet. Living in the Bay Area, I have the one luxury of being able to taste some of the wines as they are poured on pickup days, but I have also opened my share at home. There are very few wines that can’t be enjoyed on the younger side (maybe Bordeaux, but I don’t buy or drink Bordeaux any more). Sure, many/most may get better with age, but you can get a pretty good read on the style and potential early on.