Who makes good <$30 red Bourgogne these days?

[CFu]

@A. So

@Henry Kiichli

@D. Zylberberg

That’s a $35 bottle in the States now.

The first two on Wine Searcher free list it at $29,50
New York Wine Warehouse: 2010 BOURGOGNE ROUGE CUV.PRESSONNIER


and $29,95
2011 roty j bourgogne cuvee de pressonnier rouge 750 ml - Aabalat Fine & Rare Wines

After that it goes up.

It’s been well-established that David isn’t the best at getting good prices for wine.
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I’m dying. Lol

[Mark_C]

David, Paul, thanks for the education of what constitutes Burgundy and what does not. I was confused by the fact that Beaujolais is in Burgandy but wine made in Beaujolais is not Burgundy.

France > Burgundy > Beaujolais > Côte de Brouilly.

[paul_clark]

Metropolitan France is divided into 27 regions of which Burgundy is one as is Rhone Alps. Beaujolais straddles the boundary between these two regions. It is part of the Burgundy and part of the Saone et Loire regions. Beaujolais clearly looks south to find it’s centre; Lyon. Cote d’Or doesn’t look much beyond Beaune to find it’s centre (although folks in the north might feel more inclined to relate to Dijon).

France, her people and her wines included, is diverse and not always consistently classified throughout all of her various administrative definitions. Put the populations of California, Texas and Florida into a geography the size of Texas and I am sure similar problems would arise. C’est la vie.

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+1 on Mercurey and I will throw in as Givry. I like the wines of Joblot very well.

[Alan_C_h_a_n]

I will second Rick on enjoying the Leroux '12, though the style may not be a fit for David Z.

[Howard_Cooper]

Red - domaine des Moirots (you should have asked about Passtoutsgrain because then I would have said Jouan, but since did not you can’t buy it without humble pie so you miss a great value).

White - Dublere, and sometimes I have gotten other reds and whites from Blair for <$30. Great values.

[A_So]

Louis Latour and Laboure-Roi make fantastic Bourgognes rouges, well under budget too.

[Beau_Carufel]

@Rick Dalia

@Beau Carufel

The 2012 Frederic Esmonin Gevrey-Chambertin Clos Prieur really impressed me for about $23

+1. A winner, though it’s a villages, no?

It is, I agree, but it does say G-C on the bouteille

[A_S_K_R_O_B_A_C_K]

@Keith Levenberg

I would buy Vignoble Guillaume Pinot Noir instead.

Keith, how is the 2010 holding up, and have you tried the 2012?

[Keith_Levenberg]

@A S K R O B A C K

@Keith Levenberg

I would buy Vignoble Guillaume Pinot Noir instead.

Keith, how is the 2010 holding up, and have you tried the 2012?

Not yet, but thanks for the reminder… my 2010s are long gone, but it was one of my favorite vintages for them.

[Henry_Kiichli]

@A. So

Louis Latour and Laboure-Roi make fantastic Bourgognes rouges, well under budget too.

I must be way behind the times. Haven’t had any L-R in years, but was never happy with them, and decided it was a waste of cash.

Has there been a turn-around? Big scandal there a couple of years back.

[Peter_Chiu]

For those who are interested in AOC there were 23 Regional ( repeat : Regional ) Appellations.

According to Meadows : on 24 November 2011 there was a new decree to creat a new Regioanl Appllation : Les Coteaux Bourguignones to replace the ridiculously named : Appellation of Bourgogne Grand Ordinaire or Bourgogne Ordinaire which could be red, white or rose.

Needless to say the most commonly known Regional Appellation is : Bourgogne which could be : red or white.

The odd ones are : Pinot-Chardonnay-Macon ( white ) and Bourgogne Epineuil ( red or white).

Bourgogne Passe-Tout-Grains ( red ) is also one of the 23 (or 24) official Regional Appellations.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Stan Y.

Why limit yourself to Bourgogne when you can drink benchmark 1er cru Mercurey at under $30? Weygandt turned me on to Michel Juillot - list is over but case pricing and specials can get it under budget. All I’ve tried are good but my two favorites are Clos des Barraults which sees the most new oak at 30%, and Vignes de Maillonge which is village but 60 year old vines and better immediately on release. They are AFWE wine though, lithe and elegant.

**…why limit yourself to Bourgogne when you can drink benchmark 1er cru Mercurey at under $30? Weygandt turned me on to Michel Juillot …

Michel Juillot 1er cru Mercuey is a wine from one of the 44 Village Appellations in the AOC system …so should it be considered a red Bougogne ?

[Peter_Chiu]

@Joy L

Michel Gay Chorey-les-Beaune

Chorey-les-Beaune is one of the 44 Village Appellations.

[Peter_Chiu]

@ybarselah

douhin’s cdb villages and cdn villages are insanely great buys.

cdb villages and cdn villages are 2 of the 44 Village Appellations.

[Stan_Y]

@Peter Chiu

xxx is one of the 44 Village Appellations

I may be wrong but thought that it is technically possible to declassify any red from the region to Bourgogne rouge. Are you saying the declassification rule stops at the AOC village level?

[Michae1_P0wers]

I don’t think that’s what Peter is saying, merely saying that these wines are not bottled as AOC Bourgogne. In any case, I assume David (and others) are happy to have good suggestions from “minor” appellations rather than only those technically bottled as Bourgogne. However, I think that there is some value in comparing the wines that producers bottle as Bourgogne as well.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Stan Y.

@Peter Chiu

xxx is one of the 44 Village Appellations

I may be wrong but thought that it is technically possible to declassify any red from the region to Bourgogne rouge. Are you saying the declassification rule stops at the AOC village level?

AOC systems was born for many purposes. One of them is for labelling.

If the producer would like to declassify the juice from the AOC village level, he is welcome to do so.

On paper the best Bourgogne Blanc should be made by Vogue when they declassied the juice from their holding in the Musigny and labelled it as : Bourgogne Blanc.

Vogue is not allowed to label the bottle of this declasised juice to a lower level under AOC Chambolle-Muginy Village as white grapes are allowed in the AOC Chambolle-Musigny.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Michael Powers

I don’t think that’s what Peter is saying, merely saying that these wines are not bottled as AOC Bourgogne. In any case, I assume David (and others) are happy to have good suggestions from “minor” appellations rather than only those technically bottled as Bourgogne. However, I think that there is some value in comparing the wines that producers bottle as Bourgogne as well.

Merci…Michael

[Howard_Cooper]

@Peter Chiu

@Stan Y.

Why limit yourself to Bourgogne when you can drink benchmark 1er cru Mercurey at under $30? Weygandt turned me on to Michel Juillot - list is over but case pricing and specials can get it under budget. All I’ve tried are good but my two favorites are Clos des Barraults which sees the most new oak at 30%, and Vignes de Maillonge which is village but 60 year old vines and better immediately on release. They are AFWE wine though, lithe and elegant.

**…why limit yourself to Bourgogne when you can drink benchmark 1er cru Mercurey at under $30? Weygandt turned me on to Michel Juillot …

Michel Juillot 1er cru Mercuey is a wine from one of the 44 Village Appellations in the AOC system …so should it be considered a red Bougogne ?

The best $30 Burg I have had recently was a 2007 Chandon des Briailles Pernand Vergelesses Ille de Vergelesses that I paid $30 for about a year ago.

On the white side, the best was a Savigny les Beaune from Dublere that I paid under $30 for a few months ago.

[A_S_K_R_O_B_A_C_K]

@Keith Levenberg

@A S K R O B A C K

@Keith Levenberg

I would buy Vignoble Guillaume Pinot Noir instead.

Keith, how is the 2010 holding up, and have you tried the 2012?

Not yet, but thanks for the reminder… my 2010s are long gone, but it was one of my favorite vintages for them.

Bring one to our next offline please as a second bottle. Would be interested to try.