Which Champagne are you drinking?

Extracted from a thread just posted: 5 wines tasted blind at dinner: a taste off with NV Kirkland Brut vs 2006 Cristal, 2020 Lamay En Remilly, 2016 Dutton Manzana Pinot Noir and 2007 Mascarello Monprivato Barolo

My better half has rarely purchased wine on her own, but when she does, it is usually a good QPR from Trader Joes or Costco and one that I probably would not have purchased, but always have liked.

A year or so ago, she bought a Kirkland champagne from Costco and we had it at home and I had to admit, it was pretty decent. Since then, I had been harboring the idea of blind tasting the group with one of their champagnes and chose this night to do so. Since it cost $20 and most of the wines we take are valued much higher, I threw in a Cristal and advised the others to bring an extra sparkling wine glass.

I poured both blind for the others since the clear glass of the Cristal was a dead giveaway. It was somewhat humorous to hear the table talk while the others kept tasting and comparing and it seemed the Kirkland was much more preferred, but not recognized by some as a Brut and calling it a recent vintage new world sparkling wine. I was sort of laughing to myself, but realizing I have not been doing so well with wine identification of late which was even more evident in the flight of the 2 reds.

Here’s some notes:

NV KIRKLAND SIGNATURE BRUT- poured blind for the others; this is a blend of Chardonnay, Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier sourced from the grand cru village of Verzenay; it spent at least 15 months on the lees and was made by Manuel Janisson who also makes champagne under his own label, Champagne Janisson; the color was a very light yellow suggesting a kind of wimpy wine here, but that was quickly dispelled when exploring the aromas which included some rich citrus and honey dew melon notes with a biscuity accent; the initial taste turned up a definite black pepper note that reminded me of Piper Heidsieck Rare although that is where the comparison ended; this had a frothy, cotton candy like mousse and a bit of an unexpected lemon flavored acidic finish; I found it to be very pleasant and certainly drinkable and as Roelanda would remind, a good QPR.

2006 LOUIS ROEDERER CRISTAL- served blind to the others and compared blind with a NV Kirkland Brut; initially this seemed fragmented and each and every note was separate from the rest; following its mid yellow color came a kaleidoscope of aromas and flavors including honeyed white peach, apricot, lemon and orange zest delivered in a super creamy texture with a bit of weight; it was big, rich and fully loaded albeit in this somewhat fractured manner with everything coming one note at a time; about 45 minutes later, I re-visited and it was an entirely different champagne that had marinated, melded and blended and now was expressing as one complete, harmonious, balanced beauty; it was truly amazing how much it had improved and another in our group noticed the same thing; we then talked about the advantage that we have with this group in being able to hang out with wines for a lot longer than what we are afforded at most other wine related dinners and follow them as they go though their transition once exposed to air and temperature change as well as our palate changes.

Cheers,
Blake

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Dehu Initiation. 77% Meunier; 23% Pinot Noir.

This is no-dosage and quite sleek and linear. Vibrant with red fruits and hints of apple. Really liked this, especially for the price.


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Hey BB,
Did you get a sense (or back label) as to what dose this (Kirkland) might have?
Btw, Lady Jayhawk went deep in the women’s US Amateur, I was really pulling for her…on your behalf.
Bz

It feels high-ish to me, maybe in the 8-10 g/l range. Curious to hear Blake’s take.

Hey Bz
My guess is in the 8-10 range as @ky1em1ttskus states. It was not cloyingly sweet, but it seemed to be in the higher range for Brut.
Always appreciate support for the Hawks in all sports, especially football and we are about to see just how much they will need as they are playing against Fresno State in about 30 minutes.
Cheers and Rock Chalk!

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Had the Noyers bottling recently with no context or knowledge about the producer and kept getting more impressed as the wine got more air. Price was “fair” (aka high but above average quality compared to many peers).

The Initiation also improved markedly with air. Was very tight upon opening but started to strut its stuff after about an hour.

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I just discovered the typo- it should have read 8-10 range.

NV H. Billiot Fils Champagne Grand Cru Brut Réserve

An estate we visited in 2013. This wine was disgorged in March 2024. 9g/l dosage. A blend of 25% Chardonnay and 75% Pinot Noir and 100% Grand Cru. The wine does not undergo Malolactic fermentation. Light yellow color. Creamy texture with a solid bead. Slightly sweet with peach and toast notes. 90 points.

VM

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N.V. Champagne Gaspard Brochet Champagne Pinot Noir Tome V - Quite austere, needed quite a bit of air to show its stuff. Still enjoyed it with food and I feel that in 5 to 7 years this will be much better.

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@Eric_Egan

I will tell my kids this was GameStop

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Extracted from a thread just posted: An epic Monday Night Blind Wine Dinner Group outing with 2013 Cristal Rose, 2020 Drouhin Corton-Charlemagne, 2010 Redigaffi and 2006 Vega Sicilia Unico

“It was easily clear to the other 3 of us, the bubbly was indeed a rose champagne and a really good one at that. Knowing the one who brought it, I flippantly threw it out it was a Cristal Rose before drifting off into a few other options after tasting it for over 30 minutes. Lo and behold, it was”:

2013 LOUIS ROEDERER CRISTAL BRUT ROSE- blind; we sipped and gushed for about an hour over this before offering our guesses and revealing the label; according to the one who brought it, it was recently released; the deciphered bar code told us this was a blend of 55% Pinot Noir and 45% Chardonnay, disgorged 1/21 and dosed at 7 gpl; following its pale salmon color came super inviting aromas of white peach, red raspberry, red cherry and tangerine with some underlying minerality; one sip and it was another world beyond with a kaleidoscope of robust flavors being delivered in a creamy smooth textured medium that enhanced its richness, full body and crisp acidity; at least 40 minutes later, noticeable strawberry fruit became dominant from the nose through the tail with accents of saline and white pepper also coming in; it reeked of class throughout and although it was big, it was not overwhelmingly powerful and had a lot of finesse and charm to balance it out; I was not convicted enough to hold on to my first thought and considered this to be a Bollie Rose, but it was not quite as powerful nor did it have any notes that I could attribute to Pinot Meunier; I also considered Philipponnat Rose; this was a fabulous wine and I had to think of my friend, Jon Lawrence; who most likely has a few.

Cheers,
Blake

@Jon_Lawrence

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one of these days I swear I’m going to get smart and stop buying anything with a significant percentage of Pinot Meunier in the mix. … one of these days …

NV Laherte Frères Champagne Blanc de Noirs Brut Nature - France, Champagne (8/23/2025)
– popped and poured –
– tasted non-blind over approx. 2 hrs. –
– Dosage: none –
– Disgorged: April 2024 –
– 50% Pinot Noir, 50% Pinot Meunier –

Fruity and earthy with a hint of black licorice in the background. That Pinot Meunier earthiness is present and noticeable, and gets in the way of me truly enjoying this. Not a rebuy for me.

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It’s not for me either (usually); and that’s okay! :cheers:

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Actually, I enjoy that wine (and PM in general), but tastes are always personal.

-Al

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And I very much enjoy that producer (Laherte Freres), but Producer is not winning-out over blend in this instance. Oh well.

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@Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m would likely then hate the bottle on deck for us tonight: NV Bérêche et Fils Champagne Rive Gauche

Though this is called NV, I believe it is in actuality all 2008, disgorged in 2011. This is a period for Bereche that @Brad_Baker has called out as being particularly difficult, with the winemaking moving in an extreme direction, with significant negative impact to the wines. I first had this wine back in 2013, and did not like it at all then (my notes are in CT). But then we had it again in 2020 and everything had changed - I really enjoyed it. Let’s see what another 5 years has done…

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Yep, probably.

I’ve had a few PM that have proven to be exceptions that prove the rule (off the top of my head, an Egly and also Jose Michel’s “Pere Houdart”), but the smart money is on me no longer spending my own money on them.

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2012 Le Brun-Servenay Champagne Exhilarante Vieilles Vignes - France, Champagne (8/12/2025)
– popped and poured –
– tasted non-blind over a couple hours –
– 80% Chardonnay, 10% Pinot Noir, 10% Pinot Meunier –
– Dosage: 4 g/L –
– Disgorged: January 2022, giving this 9 years on its lees –

NOSE: broad and toasty, with hints of underbrush and butterscotch.

BODY: green-tinged 18k gold color; light to medium-light body.

TASTE: high acidity; very dry; plenty of flavor; youthful, but in a starting-to-mature kind of way; underbrushy, with some apple and toastiness mixed-in. Easy re-buy at $75. Excellent. Drink or Hold.


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In July, I did a mini road trip in Champagne. My favorite visit was to Louise Brison, a small grower in Aube (Noé-les-Mallets to be precise). Delphine Brulez, the winemaker and great-granddaughter of Louise Brison, gave me a tour and one of the many memorable moments was seeing a vat of yeast being made :star_struck:. I was so engrossed with the conversation that I forgot to take pictures until it was time to taste.

Pictured below are 2020 100% PN (BdN), 2020 blend of 50%PN-50%Chard, 2019 100%Chard, 2020 PN Rosé. My preference order was the Rosé, 100% PN, Blend - all three clustered close together - followed by the Chardonnay. All organic, always 1 vintage, minimum 5 years on lees, mostly no dosage (but not always). The wines are not screeching “JE SUIS BRUT ZERO!” but they tend towards the leaner side except for the rosé, where the fruit lends richness. The Coteaux (PN) in the picture is made in very limited quantities and was not part of the tasting, but I wanted to admire the painted labels.

When I came back to the US, I opened a 2016 Louise Brison À l’Aube (50% Chard, 50% PN) and it made me smile.

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