Which Champagne are you drinking?

Extracted from a thread just posted re a dinner with the Orange County folks:

2016 CEDRIC BOUCHARD ROSES de JEANNE ‘PR-PRESLE- this extra special limited release consists of 100% organic Pinot Noir that are farmed from 15 rows (0.25 hectare) of 10 different Burgundian Pinot clones co-planted in 2007, all of which are massale selection using superior cuttings, a practice that is becoming more popular replacing clonal selection; it is made by using first press juice only, hand harvested, foot crushed and then fermented with indigenous yeasts in stainless steel, bottled unfined and unfiltered and aged 36 months sur lie, zero dosage; the color was yellow with a hint toward gold; the nose was redolent of honeyed golden delicious apple with a touch of lemon and a mild accent of ginger, all of which continued on to the back end while being delivered in a mellow, soft and frothy textured medium; it was subtly rich and more elegant than powerful; best off all, it’s already achieved a level of balance and should just get better with time. A fabulous no dosage bubbly and a great bring, one I considered for WOTN amongst some heavy hitters.

Cheers,
Blake

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This is excellent for the (low) price. Very minerally and dry and quite intense, good mid palate richness, nice citrusy fruit. Love the back label info too.

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Will be opening my last bottle of the 1990 Piper-Heidsieck Champagne Cuvée Rare in a couple of weeks - the old style bottle with the ridiculously narrow neck that you have to struggle to get the cork out of. Having it along side a 1995 Drappier Champagne Cuvée de Millenaire - should be an interesting contrast. My last bottle of it too.

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This stuff is too easy to drink.

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Given Blake’s recent positive experience with '08 Cristal, I decided it was a good time to pop a bottle. I pulled the cork at 4pm and quick taste put a smile on my face. We started drinking around 7pm and finished by 9pm. The first thing I noticed was that the color was a shade darker than I remember. The palate was consistent with the dark tone showing, for the time for me at least, some aged notes with just a touch of caramel and coffee. The mid-palate was dense and chewy, almost more like a meal than a drink. The finish was long with beautiful Cristal lemon and acidity, but dialed down a bit, in a good way, from earlier bottles. Nobody does lemon as well as Cristal, IMO.

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On Saturday we held our second crowd funded tasting in Augsburg. The tasting consisted of 17 champagnes, for those who are quick to jump to winesearcher, the price per participant was 170 € from my side this included the champagnes, cheese and charcuteir, the german vat at 19%, the train journey with a return ticket and the hotel. The host, who provided the rooms in the Fuggerhaus in Augsburg charged a futher 30€ person for quiches from a local french baker, infinite water, a waitress and for the cleaning of the room. This was a non profit event for good customers and to give them a chance to taste champagnes, they normally would not buy, also based on the rartiy of certian bottles, a chance to allow them to taste bottles whichare extremely difficult to get.

I find myself getting tired of the what I will call the “bureaucracy of wine” meaning over analytical thinking to the extent of blind tasting, hierarchacal thinking, the tendency for certian fractions to dominate in a tasting and preventing different opinions. The idea was to hold a holisitc or instinctive tasting, the basic idea, nobody is right or wrong, nobody has to explain why they liked or disliked a champagne. I used a basic question how would you evaluate this champagne from 1 to 10, one the lowest score, ten the highest. Also to think of the champagne in terms of what would I like to eat with this champagne? From my perspective this approach worked, and obviously from a business perspective it helped me understand the participants tastes much better. The following notes are my impressions and not the groups.

To break the ice, we started with Ayala’s Brut Majeur from magnum, a blend of 55% chardonnay, 30% Pinot Noir and 15 % Meunier. 3 years on the lees, 6g/l dosage. A playful, rounded champagne with nice brioche notes, I think this will improve with some ageing, a nice start. 90 points

One aspect of the tasting was to incorporate as much 4 to 5 star producers rated by the german critic Gerhard Eichelmann, to my mind the best champagner critic world wide.

The host wanted rosés and as they are difficult to fit in we had Hure Freres Insouciance as a second aperitif. 50% Pinot Noir, 30% Chardonnay and 20% Meunier. Base 2020. Dosage 4,5g/l Degorge 01/2023. A complex rosé, up front bright red fruit an intense salinity and a acidic finish. I really liked it, but it really got mixed reactions, from very positive to not liking it. 92 points

The tasting was then structured into three clusters, the first was Blanc de Blancs.

Domaine Vincey Chemin de Chalons 2018. Degorgement 10/2022, 0g/l and sulphur 26 mg/l. In terms of attack this was the most impressive of all the champagnes presented, a massive upfront explosion of chalk and agrume aromas, however on the middle palate and back palate nothing, not disappointing, in fact apaprt fom myself all of the participants were blended by this champagne, I guess that is what the producer is trying to do. 92 points. I think with the low sulphur and zero dosage better drink in the near future, there was no residual sugar to compensate this.

Robert Moncuit Lieu dit du Mesnil sur Oger Les Chetillons 2016. Degorgé 2022 0 g/l
The Chetillons lacked the explosivesness of Vincey. Wood was present and the champagne in itself was a bit subdued. The Chetillons needed time to find its potential, the wood softened a bit and one felt the massive potential of ths champagne, beautifully blanced with a persistent finish. I would wait at least 5 years before opening the next bottle. This will be a recurring issue in this tasting, in my mind with 1 or 2grs dosage, this would have been a much better champagne. 95 points

Agrapart Grand cru Blanc de Blancs Venus 2017. Degorged Mai 2022 Brut nature. I will say this again and again, the critics writing off 2017 so early shows us how much value to put in the premature judgents of vintages. It was amazing to see how almost each of the participants after the first sip, were blown away by this champagne, just at another level compared to the other two champagnes. Creamy, complex and and a fantastic finish, this bottles was emptied very quickly. With the current release from 7cru and Terroirs up to Venus, Agrapart is on a role. 99 points. Here one also sees the master, despite the Brut Nature, this champagne had so much substance and body, one feels it has the potential for 20 years.

From the group, tow were not so impressed with Agrapart and prefered Moncuit and Vincey.

The next group was more eclectic, Meunier/biodynamicsa dn natural champagne.
After such a high point like Venus, it is difficult to move ont o the next grape sort. But Seleque pulled it off.

Seleque Soliste Brut Meunier 2018 Pierry 1er Cru and les Gouttes d’Or. Degorgé December 2022, dosage 1,5g/l. I recommended the participants to try this with Schwarzwald Schinken (smoked black forest ham) to give it a chance after the Venus. For me a beautiful representation of Meunier. Seleque pushes the boundaries when it comes to richness and ripeness, the 18 warm character was evident and this meunier had power. I think one thing we are seeing with 18 is the capability of the producer. A lot of champagnes I have tasted from this vintage were clumsy to say the least, it seems more experienced producers have managed to capture acidity which counteracts the richness. Seleque has pulled it off. 94 points

Philippe Lancelot:Les Hautes d’Epernay Millésime 2017. Zero dosage, no degorgement date. Again the maltreated 2017 vintage. I always fret with these non sulphur/natural wine styled champagnes. The Hautes d’Epernay was sublime, the honey note had intensified, the minerality extremely complex, an intellectual champagne but magnificent. 97 points.

Emanuel Brochet Les Haut Meuniers 1er Cru Extra Brut. I do not drink a lot of Brochet due to the scarcity and the scarcity in my mind plays into the cult. Eichelmann promoted Brochet up into the 5 star category and this chamgne showed why. This was a Brochet moment. For me the best 100% meunier I have tasted, much better than Prevost. This champagnehas everything concentration, power, balance, elegance and an amazing finish. If it were not for Leclapart, I would have givven this champagne 100 points. 99 points.

David Leclapart L’Aphrodisiaque 2018 Pas Dosé, 90% Chardonnay and 10% Pinot Noir. Just amazing, Brochet was brilliant, but it was Meunier here the chardonnay lived up to the noble grape nomenculture. This is what Cristal post 2013 should be but is not. A seductive champagne that has it all, an endless finish. 100 points.

One of the reasons for putting Leclapart, Brochet and Lancelot together was the fact that they are close friends and influence one another greatly. One particpant said the following. For him, Lancelot was the best for one reason, the price, not quite at the level of Brochet or Leclapart in terms of quality but the difference was not so great as to justify the price gap.

The next round was pinot noir based and the most devisive.

Elise Dechannes Pinot Noir 2014 Degorgé 28 January 2022. Zero Dosage. A champagne bursting with energy, the acidity and minerality more to the fore, in the background a cherry sort of aroma. I am not a fan of 2014, this champagne lacks the body so typical of the vintage. Nice, drink now or over the next two or three years, needs food. 92 points.

Marguet Ambonnay Grand cru 2018. 63% Pinot Noir and 37% Chardonnay. Degorge February 202. Dosage 0 and Sulphur 17 mg/l. I loved the 2017 Shaman, but disliked the 2018 Shaman and Yuman, the oak regiment combined with the hot vintage did not appeal to me. With the Ambonnay 2018 I will have to fall on my sword. A beautiful representation of Ambonnay, floral notes, red berries, and dark chocolate accentuated by a hint of spice. The inclusion of 37% Chardonnay lent a refreshing and vibrant quality to the champagne, counteracting the heat of the vintage and infusing an unexpected sharpness. With zero grams per liter of dosage and minimal sulfur, I question the aging potential of this champagne and would recommend consuming it presently or in the near term. 94 points

Pouillon Le Montgruguet Extra Brut 2019 3g/l dosage, degorgé 1er trimestre 2023. I think with the new releases Pouillon has stepped up a rank in the hierarchy of producers. The new releases are just fantastic. This Le Montgruguet 100% pinot noir is a power house of a champagne, very embryonic at the moment, everything is there but this champagne will need time together. 96 points. Thankfully 3g/l dosage, a champagne to lay down.

Drappier Cuvée Geande Sendree 2008 55% Pinot Noir and 45% Chardonnay. Brut. I don’t know why, I expected this champagne to be more open. Not the case. Again a powerhouse of a champagne, at the moment more brooding with massive acidity, the acidity was a proble for most of the participants. For me a great champagne, just one needs to wait 15 – 20 years. 97 points.

Jacquesson Ay Vauzelle Terme 2013. Degorge Mai 2022. Dosage 0gr/l. For me on paper, this should have been one of the best champagnes of the tasting. I loved the 2009 and 2008 but this just did not tick any boxes for me. The acidity is off the charts, the pinot elements are not coming through. 1 or 2 grams of dosage would have made a massive difference, lacks substance. Not at the level of Pouillon or Marguet. 91 points.

I think with the chardonnays and and the middle flight, the stylistic difference was much more pronounced. Despite the different terroirs the similairity of the pinot noir based champagnes was not so pronounced. Although the Dechannes was from a weaker vintage I preferred it much more than the Jacquesson. Marquet a real surprise. Drappier the best value Grand Marque out there.

We then finished with two Rosés.

Georges Remy Vaudayants Rosé Grand Cru. Pinot Noir from 2020 with 2% Rouge from 2019. Degorge January 2023. Brut nature. A refreshing, tangy style of rosé veering towards blood orange and cranberries. I liked it, the majority of the group did not. 92 points

Dehours Oeil de Perdix 2008 100% Meunier- Degorge Dec 2014. A champagne for the specialists. A strong oxidised backbone which cuts through the champagne. Again massiv acidity, but the structure shows enough resilience to holds it own again against the acidity. A poor mans Selosse. 93 points.

A really interesting tasting with very diverse opinions on the champagnes. One could not say there was a group concensus to the best champagne. I wish we could have more quantity to this more often. For me the clear winner was Leclapart with Brochet and Agrapart close behind… The biggest surprise was Marguet. The best value Lancelot, Moncuit and Drappier.

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@D_Pennet I hope you don’t mind, but I have collected here the CT links to all of those wines, in the order you described them, to aid those looking for the CT pages and hence onwards to the WineSearcher “where to buy” link.

Click here for the links
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I forgot the magnum of Charles Heidsieck, the host wanted to have something to finish the evening with. I had aged this magnum for four years but did not note the dates. Tall the champagnes were openen in advance and were served at about 12 ° C. I thought it was too much and told the assistent not to open. Someone then said, they were looking forward to tasting the Heidsieck, it was opened and served for me too cold. I had drunk a bottle of the brut reserve a few months ago, same relase, the magnum was not at the same stage, very backward and needs a few years. To be honest there was sone leftovers, I in my egoism finished the Leclapart, so was at this stage not really concnetrating on the Heidsieck.

Taking the crowd funding concept futher, if I get the complete Egly collection, we might do the complete releases in one sitting that is if we get enough participants, Also the next time I want to do the complete Agrapart and the complete Emanuel Brochet before he starts releasing just one bottle instead of the three.

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I think I got this to fill out an order, wasn’t expecting too much but this was very nice, bright fruit upfront, perfect acid, really vigorous bubbles, delicious with a crab in puff pastry appetizer. I think this was $30-35 range if that price is correct I’d definitely re-buy some of this.

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I’m salivating once again. I’m so happy Jon your bottle was as good as I expected it to be from my most recent experience.

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I’ve enjoyed the 2016, but also again this evening what I understand to be the basic house wine is going down very nicely; by coincidence I mentioned that one here exactly 6 months ago.


  • 2012 A. R. Lenoble Champagne Grand Cru Blanc de Blancs Millésimé - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (10/9/2023)
    100% chardonnay from Grand Cru Chouilly. Dosage 3g/L. Triage first half of 2013, but no disgorgement information; googling suggests 7 years. Popped and poured into Glasvin Champagne stems.

    Pours a light golden hue, with a quite vigorous mousse that settles into a very fine bead. The aromas are initially a bit reduced, giving off a bit of flint. But also there is a bright, lemony, flowery bouquet backed by a dollop of sweet cream. Really enticing nose.

    On the palate there is a lot of energy and a fine line of acid and a good dose of stones. The mid palate starts with sweet Meyer lemon, takes on a tiny bit of yellow apple, and ends with fresh brioche. The depth of that lemony fruit is excellent. The texture is plush but driven, and the finish is long, lemon curd inflected, and stony.

    This wine feels young and primary, but lovely and lively. We had a lot to celebrate with it, and it delivered perfectly. I only wish I had more to see how the Maillard develops.
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After enjoying 23 bottles from the 2011 base, this evening I had my first based on 2012. All the parameters (100% chard, 20% from solera, ~10 years maturing before disgorgement, 3.3g/l) are the same but the result is a quite different wine, and despite the fact that 2012 seems to be regarded as an excellent vintage and 2011 as a very weak one, at this stage at least, I strongly prefer the 2011 base.

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  • NV Tristan Hyest Champagne Blanc de Blancs Les Terres Argileuses Extra Brut - France, Champagne (11/10/2023)
    After 23 bottles from the 2011 base, this is my first with a base of 2012 (80%) and 20% from solera. The disgorgement is 10/2021, with dosage of 3.3g/l.

    This is a very different wine indeed from the 2011 base - very crisp, citric, almost completely lacking the sweet buttery brioche on the nose and toast/yeast aspect on the palate which I found so appealing in the earlier bottles. As it warms not much changes except that I do get just the slighest yeasty hints on the finish, which is also rather drying.

    With about 2 hours air the acidity mellows a bit and fruit comes a little more to the fore, but this is still some way short of the 2011 in terms of complexity.

    Although this is a decent bottle of fizz, at this stage at least, sadly, I like it far less than the 2011 base bottles. (89 points)

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Pehu-Simonet Face Nord Brut Grand Cru
Following my wife’s big event at work where NV Moet was served, this was a rather enjoyable way to close the evening.

Nice complexity on the nose and palate from the get-go: lemon curd, lemon zest, flint, heavy cream, some orange blossom and nice florals. There is some chewiness but nice mineral and acidic drive. The finish is a little short and it’s not a mind-bender but good QPR and enjoyable all around.

Disclaimer: I sell this wine. I’ll update to Berserker Business soon and will post on my new involvement in online Champagne sales.

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I like this one a lot for the price, though the extra brut is superior.

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Went through two mags camping with friends recently. Agree — very serviceable, nice chewiness.

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Now for the proper place for these notes that were part of a thread posted yesterday on another thread:

2008 PIERRE MONCUIT GRAND CRU BRUT MILLESIME LE MESNIL SUR OGER- my bring served blind to the others; 100% Chardonnay; aged at least 8 years in the cellar and dosed at about 6 gpl; it had a rich yellow color and went through numerous changes in the glass in the first 10-15 minutes starting off with mild, subtle notes of fresh citrus fruit in the nose and licorice and lime on the palate; it then moved on adding a touch of spice, honey and ginger; later on, the final notes of toasty brioche and yellow apple came in to make this very pleasing, albeit still with subtle elegance and charm; I’m not sure if decanting would allow it to the get to its end place faster, but it sure took some time in the glass for that to happen, and it was worth it.

2013 POL ROGER BRUT- pale gold color, this had aromas and tastes of fresh and ripe spicy citrus, especially lime, along with some pineapple, apple and cherry with a streak of minerals running through and accents of bread dough and chalk while being delivered in a light creamy mousse; good now with promises to mature into a fine bubbly.

Cheers,
Blake

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Extracted from a thread just posted:

2008 JEAN MICHEL CUVEE SPECIALE EXTRA BRUT- a blend of 50% Pinot Meunier and 50% Chardonnay; bottled April 2010; disgorged January 2020, dosed at 1 gpl; it is sourced from 7 different crus in Moussy and neighboring communes and undergoes at least 8-10 years on the lees after being harvested; the nose showcased its serious citrus notes with lemon zest most prominent; the taste profile was more of honeyed lemon with a touch of lime and yellow apple; it was full bodied, very rich and creamy and with bright acidity; it certainly had a bit of the power and thrust of the 2008 vintage. this was my 7th bottle of this fine bubbly and all have been very good including a couple which were blind poured for others who had it as a Taittinger Comtes which I do not, but it gives an idea as to its allure.

Cheers,
Blake

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Where did you source this? A Google search is only bringing up European merchants.

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You mean the Pehu Simonet? Do they havenextra brut ?

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