What’s Your Unpopular Wine Truth? Share the Hill You’ll Die On!

In terms of pure QPR I 100% agree. And I’ve just recently started getting more into the pleasures of BYO for the same reason.

However, that’s also exactly what I’m looking to obviate by choosing a pairing. In other words, I know I’m getting took at some level anyway (at least in America), so let’s make it an experience, and compliment each dish uniquely, even if it’s not the most efficient. To me it’s the experience that creates an arc which elevates the meal into greatness. I guess we can call it EPR :sweat_smile:

But both are questions of capacity.

Sure, but I think you know why people spit out alcohol. It causes damage to most people much more quickly than a few courses of rich food. You could respond that people should therefore only drink the amount that will not cause them to get too inebriated. So yes, spitting is a form of ‘gluttony’. But it seems better than the alternatives.

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(New) Oak to wine is like hot sauce to food. No matter what the food, it tastes like hot sauce.

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Preferences :slightly_smiling_face:

I prefer a hint of VA over oaky notes most of the time (which is much more common in Burgundy). But everything has to be balanced. Don’t think I ever had a white Ganevat I thought had imbalanced VA though… found that in many other Jura’s, but not Ganevat. I have a few 19’s in the cellar though.

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I don’t know that I’ve seen anything about prices on this thread - sure some “bad value” stuff, but nothing like can’t find great wines under $XX or something like that.

Reference?

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My personal experience is different, but one would have to know which varieties they used and what the numbers were. I just glanced at the abstract though and didn’t read beyond the first paragraph.

I would rather just drink champagne and grand cru red burgs with a tasting menu anyways.

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Yeah, well, my point being was that my experience was also different from yours. I just wanted it to be not just an anecdote, but also knowing what causes the phenomenon, back it up with actual science as well; so I just googled one of the articles explaining it. I’m sure there are dozens of other scientific articles that repeat the exact same thing. Astringent compounds simply are more astringent in lower pH. It doesn’t really depend on the grape variety.

(This is also why wines made from ripe grapes tend to come across as softer; the grape tannins might not mature considerably during just a few days of hang time, but the acids in the grapes might drop enough instead, so that the final wine’s pH is high enough to “soften” the tannins, ie. make them feel less astringent.)

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Some hits.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814622023470

This is a study also done on the effects of tartaric acid on wine astringency.

The photo below is the conclusion that showed tartaric acid levels below 3.0 g/l increased astringency and above 3.0 g/l masked astringency.

There’s also research out there that illustrates addition of acids unmasking sweet sensing neurons and masking bitter sensing neurons. Either of which could lead to diminishes perception of bitter/astringent compounds in wine.

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Most older WineBerserkers were better a decade ago and most young WineBerserkers are still going through a dumb phase.

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This!

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Salt is a flavor enhancer, so it makes things taste more like themselves. Oak doesn’t really do that, no matter how much/little oak is used.

I like the hot sauce comparison. Touch of hot sauce will bring an interesting layer to flavor, but too much hot sauce makes everything taste like hot sauce.

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“A varietal wine”

In other words "varietal’ is used as an adjective and that makes it a noun?

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I’m pretty good at math. Gonna let this lie. Or is it lay?

Lie.

“Lie" doesn’t take a direct object (you can’t “lie something”), while “lay” does (you lay something down).

The hard part is that “lay” is the past participle of “lie.”

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Got it.
But that was tongue in cheek…unless I’m using that wrong too. sigh

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Isn’t the objection when using “varietal” as a noun to mean “grape variety”

Using “varietal” as a noun to mean “varietal wine” hasn’t ever really been considered objectionable

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