Underrated outside of the states (no one really knows about Oregon Pinot/Chard) but not so much in the US. Same applies to most of other US regions tbh.
As far as pricing goes, I honestly don’t think it’s undervalued at this point. Many good choices from less famous villages in Burgundy and Oregon doesn’t seem particularly better values to me.
Do you prefer Russian River Pinots? If so, comparing apples vs oranges . . .
Oregon wines lack elegance and have a bitter finish. Always a dead giveaway in blind tastings.
All of them depending on who you talk to. Like Jura is hard to fit into this category because most people are not really fans. Its like saying a subgenre of music is overrated. To its fans? Nope. To people who listen once and didn’t care for it? Not really overrated. Just not considered.
For me its Napa and Burgundy for different reasons. I have some from both in my cellar but its a very particular subset. Most of the rest of it is on ignore.
I’m gonna guess that you don’t prefer bitter foods or drinks in general then?
Cheers
Are you suggesting that these wines are bitter on purpose?
(Note, I know nothing about ORE wines and have no idea whether I’d agree with the perceived bitterness)
Any particular producers you have noticed this with? Obviously your experience is what it is and you’re probably a much more experienced taster than me, just haven’t perceived clunkiness or bitterness as a general characteristic of OR wines.
Jura is the future if you like Chardonnay (implicit the even more interesting Savagnin)
For reds not so much unless you’re lucky enough to drink Mirroirs
As you probably understand, we all have different sensitivities to bitterness - they are not making their wines ‘bitter’ to someone who is not as sensitive as perhaps the one who said they are are. Hope that makes sense
I don’t know Jura wines, and I was just speculating . . .
Would you have any recommendations for Jura Chardonnays for me to take a look at starting out as a complete know-nothing?
A mic drop post if I ever saw one,
Ok this got me thinking about what over-rated means and to whom. So yea, this is mostly highly subjective, and I’m going to just ignore pricing, which is an entirely different realm of madness. Vis-a-vis complaints about Burgundy and Champagne - I don’t think these are over-rated at all. Large volumes of excellent wines, with strong identities, and not easily replaceable from anywhere else. They merit the rating, IMHO.
To the broader world beyond we crusty Berserkers, I have to go with Bordeaux. It is the backbone of the investment market, and still seems to me to appear in popular culture as the standard bearer of fine wine. Of course, oceans of great wine comes from Bordeaux, I’m not going to argue otherwise, but it is still too highly focused on by the broader culture as the best of the best. Perhaps Napa comes in second. My own personal un-fave is CdP - nearly always disappointing, and yet extremely highly regarded and gets more broad attention than its far superior neighbor (Northern Rhône).
Bravo! A mic drop post if I ever saw one, Actually, two in one!
By the way, what wine region makes Retsina? Asking for a friend.
Bordeaux
“By who” is an important question on this, I could be talked into bdx as overrated in the general public or wine people over a certain age cutoff. But among wine-interested people around my age (35) I think it is if anything underrated. It is extremely unfashionable these days and virtually no hip restaurant wine lists or wine bars feature Bordeaux.
This seems accurate to me (not 35). Saying that bdx is overrated means, to me, that the wines aren’t as good as people think they are. Is that true? To me, the wines are better than ever, as the excesses of the 90s and early 2000s are left behind, while the market presence of the wines seems to be in decline. Neither side of that equation is moving in the “overrated” direction as far as I can tell.
There was a time in the not-too-distant-past when one might have reasonably claimed that bdx was unjustifiably ubiquitous, in that its presence on lists, in stores, and in the public mind crowded out other wine regions that deserved a little more shine. That seems to me to be different from being “overrated,” which to me suggests a disconnect from public assessment of quality and the product in the bottle.
But I don’t even think that the ubiquity point is true any more, as Justin says.
Ganevat
A&JF Ganevat
Labet
Julien Crinquand
La Bouchaude
Caveau de Bacchus
I’m with @Neal.Mollen , I don’t know of any segment of the wine public which is overrating Bordeaux today.
They are producing a lot of good wines, in a range of styles, with most of it having attractive pricing and easy availability.
It doesn’t mean any given person has to like Bordeaux, but I can’t think of where it is overrated. Maybe someone who doesn’t like Bordeaux could fashion an argument that the scoring critics overrate it a bit? That’s the best I could come up with.
Napa and Burgundy get my vote. Barolo in third place, but a few paces behind.
Why?
Because I like each of them, but what usually happens when I find a wine l like from these places my usual reaction is, “Well, I like it, but not that much!”
