I’m surprised it hasn’t run to 5 or 6 pages already. This subject always generates only slightly less discussion than terroir or “why did I get my WA a day after everyone else?”
Probably b/c the USPS SUCKS!!!
“The palate in Europe, like the wines, has had a thousand years to develop."
Tasting room, Visan, Dept. de Vaucluse, France
Zachary, Todd, et al,
I really didn’t mind a nickname, trust me on that, simply wanted to know who’s views I am reading, that’s all. No harm, no foul. I know that GregP didn’t seem sufficient enough when I registered (and yes, I did find it funny).
Carry on.
Josh,
Your point being what?
I didn’t figure this would get so much response! I normally check in during the day but I had a 4 am to 8pm day.
I usually like Asimov but I found this one a little strange and that is why I posted the link without comment. I tend to prefer a lighter to medium weight Pinot but I still enjoy the bigger versions. To each his own. My take: not Asimov’s finest moment!
P.Robert:
Call me a dork or whatever but I really enjoy drinking pinot with sushi and I like drinking Pinot with red meat as well…I drink what I like to drink…I don’t always pair a big cab or Bdx with a steak meal…but thats just me. Hey the Meo Camuzet we had last saturday with Wagyu was just as good for me as the killer Abreu and other great cabs.
Umami Phil. Check this out.
I’m getting to the party a little late here, but the article seems like a waste to me. Thank god there isn’t just one style of pinot… how boring would that be? I had a KB pinot the other night at 15.?% and then last night I had at Ken Wright at 12.5%. I had to do a double take when I saw this on the label. I enjoy both though and I’d be sorely disappointed if either style went away. But to say the one style is better than the other and to beat up certain styles is just plain stupid to me.
the thread is going crazy on ebob. As a Joke i accused someone of defamation (ala Squires) and he PM’d me with a very long rant about professional responsibility.
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You’re allowed to trash wine makers there as much as you like. Just not anyone that Squires or Leve give a crap about. [rolleyes.gif]
Squires and Leve drink Pinot? And can spell it, too? Amazing.
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FWIW, I’ve been buying Inman wines. Buying Copain and tasted his wines when they were still made at Siduri and before they were released. Buying Arcadian, my stash goes back 1997. Calera, ditto. Been recommending the wines to people, both consumers and retail accounts. That’s why this whole thing is so surreal to me. And ridiculous.
I bet that those who defend this “Burgundian brigade” won’t be able to tell the wines in a blind setup and actually will pick the bigger wines as their favorites. WITH FOOD ON THE TABLE. Proven. Fact. Adam had an interesting setup a few years back, same Pinot lot in two different barrels, the coopers, father and son from France manning the thieves. All of those who declared their distate of oaky wines on eBob ALWAYS picked the oakier barrel as their favorite. I spent an hour observing and talking with people. The coopers and I were astonished with the results and yet at the same proven right. Interestingly enough, all the winemakers picked out the less oaky barrel, every time. As predicted.
It is still surprising that so many self described Pinot geeks still believe in their views and views espoused in the article by the “Burgundian” brigade. Yet, time and again, they are proven wrong in a blind setup and when you reveal the results they all tend to come up with one excuse after another. I am willing to bet that a good number of those who call themselves Pinot geeks won’t be able to tell apart a Pinot from a Syrah in a black glass. A simple task they failed on, seen it with my own eyes.
I’m no Burgundy freak, but I don’t like oak in my wines - I’m very opposed to it, and at our last Offline in San Diego, I chose all the wines that had little oak, or fully integrated oak, as my favorites - several of which were blind. And there was food on the table, 5 courses.
I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if many of the folks who claim superiority over all in regards to the Pinot Parade couldn’t tell the difference between Pinot Noir and Syrah, particularly if both are from CA, as the similarities can be quite shocking. As Cris likes to say: ‘I like my Pinot to taste like Pinot, and my Syrah to taste like Syrah’.
Todd,
I think you missed my point. I will set up a flight of Pinots that are clearly identifiable as Pinots. Same for Syrah. In many cases a bunch of self described and appointed “Pinot geeks” won’t be able to tell them apart on the nose alone. Seen it with my own eyes. And this applies to oak, alcohol and other things. Most people have no idea what brett is, even though they claim they know what it is and can ID it in wine. BS. Same for VA, TCA and other faults. I am truly appalled at what I am seeing out there.
I’m just pointing out that many wine geeks who defend the “Burgundian brigade” have no idea about the subject nor any understanding of key points being discussed. And they blindly use the “script sheets” these producers give them.
Your accusation may have been made jokingly, but your point was valid. The guy has it out for me because I didn’t listen to his “wise” advice and change my whole winemaking process to please him. (my point of view - I’m sure he has another as to why he hates me) Not that the changes he advocated would have even made wine he’d like to drink… he just thinks it will. Too bad he’s caught the ear of another winemaker… who’s now having vineyard issues and other problems because of it. Very sad.
OK, who’s “they guy”. I guess the name would explain a lot to those who do not read eBob.
From the latest post on the MS board:
I THINK David’s making a good point!
I went and re-read to see if it was deserving of the uproar. Not to me. I enjoyed it more the second time. Certainly not a waste for people to give their opinions. God forbid a writer or a wine-maker have a bit of an agenda or passion.
Jeb, I am with you … I want to have all styles to choose from and this article would certainly not change that. I have a preference towards lighter pinots … not something I would call the wines on Asimov’s list … but I still enjoy and share my KB, Lorings, Siduris … or whoever else is implied with regards to bigger styles.
And Todd, so you’ll be passing on the offer to drink some DRC?
Jason
Yeah - gross!
I’ve had only one DRC, actually, an '04 Echezeaux, and it was fantastic! Of course they use new oak, but it’s well made enough that it isn’t a separate component of the wine, sticking out in some disjointed manner just to let you know that it has NEW OAK!
You bring DRC to my house tomorrow night, we’ll find a place to compare oak with it and one of the CA Pinots in my cellar. Deal? I’m sure Gary won’t want any.