I haven’t bought the last two releases and still got the most recent offer.
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I have dropped many lists.
I still buy Saxum. I don’t want one every night, but we enjoy them from time to time. Plus, our son-in-law LOVES them.
I keep Lewelling (still enjoy them, and we have lots of history).
I waited a long time for Cayuse so I’m still keeping them.
Scarecrow removed me for skipping a vintage (in spite of many years of loyalty). I doubt that I will reenlist.
I passed on SQN when I finally made the list. I had turned the page.
I keep K-E and MAC, because…duh!
I will also keep buying Sandlands, and Carlisle, until the final Carlisle offering.
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Just got offered allocation on KE and I signed up earlier this year. Learned from hella WBs and be picky with mailing list so I’m glad I’m not cutting any support so far (yet)
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I started cutting back on lists in 2024, mostly due to price and storage. Less napa cabs as i drink more chard and pinot now.
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Right on re: Sandlands and Carlisle! And as one who dropped SQN after buying 20 vintages (initial allocation 1995), an appropriate decision.
Not on the Sandlands list, and cut back to my lowest purchase on the last Carlisle mailer, but I will still keep buying Carlisle until the offers stop hitting the email inbox!
You buying the KE? I keep going back and forth
Went for Rhad because I only tasted it before and liked it enough to buy. Didn’t tasted Kaanos so didn’t buy.
I am too poor for K-E. Price is astronomical. I think after reading Roy Pipers breakdown of costs, I don’t think there’s any way I can routinely buy a wine priced over $180. The ROI for the producer becomes more and more offensive and it is essentially just a luxury item or a collectors item or an investment. I have truly no problem with that, it’s just not for me.I have no problem drinking one of those bottle, buying a rare bottle here and there for a super special occasion, but staying on a list for anything over that price would have to take a serious epiphany of a tasting. In truth, I’m glad these wines exist. They have to. I’m sure K-E is amazing, otherwise people wouldn’t be gushing, but it’s the same for me and driving a nice car vs an ultra-luxury brand. I also see the K-E can be found on the secondary market at a very steep discount.
This is a $300 bottle direct, no? Even with the premium, it’s $220.
I’m personally capping out that top with Fait-Main and MOWE. And I guess I bought some Dorsey so we’ll see if that one sticks. Have to pull that out of storage before the next allocation.
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Assuming 180 is the winning bid
That specific wine is probably priced lower due to the vintage. But your main point still seems valid, I’m surprised that there’s so much Kinsman Eades on Winebid and a lot of it is selling at prices a bit less than from the winery all in. The 2019 Rhadamanthus has sold recently for $225 and $235, which would get it to me at $285 with premium and tax but not shipping. The sellers are losing money with these auctions.
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When you factor in seller auction fees plus tax and shipping on the original purchase yes someone is taking a large L. But that is for the 2022 vintage.
Mowe was my intro into the ultra premium small production side of Napa and honestly they got me hooked and I’m discovering more. I’m a big fan of Sown and I did make an order for Aerika but have not received those bottles yet.
I’m super interested in trying KE it’s just a large barrier to entry.
I think with Kinsman Eades specifically (and this is not meant to be a knock on them at all, just an observation) they ramped up the number of single vineyards and other skus pretty quickly and may have 1) outpaced what the waiting list could comfortably support and 2) wound up with a bunch of people who all of a sudden were getting 9+ bottles of KE and realized that was more than they were going to drink and/or had bought figuring they could flip some only to realize (1) - that it actually wasn’t as exclusive and allocated a wine as it was three years ago pre expansion.
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Yeah this is the biggest mistake premium Napa makes imo. They built excitement and exclusivity then start expanding quickly as the money is flowing in.
Soon enough people that were elated with 3/6 are getting a case plus of $300 wine that’s not as exclusive as it once was.
That may work for awhile, but after a few years when those customers have 4 cases in the cellar and still aren’t touching them, one has to eventually as themselves if they want to end up with 30k+ of one Napa winery inventory?
For most people the answer will be no, there’s a reason SE & Macdonald remain coveted.
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What was the release price of the 2019?
Received Cayuse email for Bionic Frogette (Grenache).
Cute
Smart marketing, as someone who always waits until the end of their month long saved allocation. Bring in a new first come wine linked to the Frog and I won’t be waiting this year. Would be funny if they actually have enough to go around though.
They can’t fool me though as I’ll probably drop Flying Pig.
$285
Just got an email from Leonetti. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Feel like I should pass.
It looks like there’s the option to go back to the top of the wait-list for next year. I’m probably not going bother, personally