Venice (Italy) help for a first timer

Great thread ! Thanks to Peter and everyone else for all the info !

Once I realized the train from Vienna terminated in Venice, I thought we might spend a couple of nights here, including New Year’s Eve, before continuing on. Right now, we’re looking at staying at the Boscolo Venezia, which is a Marriott Autograph Collection property where we can use points, as room rates for many of the places mentioned here look pretty high at that time (if they are not sold out). I understand this hotel is on the north side in a quieter area, and I’m thinking this might be a plus for the nights we’re there. Milton’s report scares me a bit, though. Are guides or a tour group a reliable way to circumvent the crowds ? If so, I’d love to hear some recommendations.

My next door neighbor has long wanted to visit Venice, and got his chance when his company sent him to Padua (some 25 miles or 39 km west of Venice) for business. He flew into Venice for a four day weekend before heading to Padua. Before leaving, we sat down to plan an itinerary that would give him a real feel for the city in spite of going in the middle of the tourist season.

Of course, I suggested he stay in my beloved Dorsoduro, and so he booked a room at the three star Hotel Agli Alboretti. This is where I stayed in the early years of my travels to Venice, when it was a two star hotel. The Agli Alboretti is a family owned hotel, and provides quiet and clean, if small, rooms for a good price. The reception is generally friendly and hospitable, but when there are many guests waiting to check in, things can get quite hectic. Adjoining the hotel is the Ristorante Agli Alboretti, which the hotel used to own, but has since been sold. I ate at the ristorante often when it was part of the hotel, but not since it was sold. I am told that the ristorante now serves a more creative version of the local cuisine.

My neighbor walked everywhere, and that is what visitors tend to do and are encouraged to do. He took the vaporetto on a number of occasions during the day and evening to get a perspective of the city from the water. Needless to say, on foot and by boat, he was mesmerized by the utter beauty of the city.

The Dorsoduro is home to many museums, among them the Gallerie dell’ Accademia and the Peggy Guggenheim Collection. The former houses pre-19th century art, especially of the Venetian masters, while the latter showcases 20th century European and American art. My friend is normally not a museum goer, but spent an entire afternoon at both museums out of curiosity and also, as he put it, out of duty as a visitor. He loved it.

He spent half a day exploring the Dorsoduro, which is the sestiere located in the southernmost part of Venice. The further south and west of the Dorsoduro he walked, the more he understood that there indeed is a Venice that visitors rarely see or are not inclined to explore. He found nooks and crannies that led him even deeper into the Dorsoduro; small bridges that led to “unknown” campi (squares) and calli (narrow streets); and wine bars frequented only by locals and the occasional intrepid visitor. My friend capped off his adventure in the Dorsoduro by having lunch at the Enoteca Ai Artisti, which, until recently, was my “secret” restaurant. Family owned, the Enoteca serves beautifully prepared Venetian classics that is matched, as the name of the restaurant suggests, by a serious list.

Nightlife in Venice centers largely on walking, taking in a concert at a local church, and going to a cichetti bar for wine, cichetti and lively conversation. I suggested my friend spend his evenings at a wine bar, and the only one I know well is the esteemed Cantinone Gia Schiavi, or Al Bottegon as it is also known. Of course it is located in the Dorsoduro, and of course my friend spent three evenings there eating, drinking and meeting the locals as well as visitors who venture or stay in the Dorsoduro. He told me he never had so much fun in a bar, and this being a cichetti bar, the final tariff did not come close to denting his wallet.

Before my friend left, he asked how he could truly experience Venice’s legendary beauty. I advised him to go to the Piazza San Marco at noon, and to return at 5am. The Piazza San Marco at noon is the Venice that all visitors know well. It is elbow to elbow, loud, and where pickpockets ply their skills. The Piazza San Marco at 5am is the Venice of poetry, where one can hear the muse speaking softly and beckoning one to inhale the intoxicating beauty of a city that, ironically, is defined by decay. I advised him to stand at the Ponte dell Accademia on the way back to the hotel, and gaze out at the Grand Canal as the sun is rising. At the Piazza San Marco at 5am and on the Accademia Bridge at the break of dawn, my friend was utterly entranced. He heard the muse. When he came home, he told his wife that they will travel to Venice in the next year or so in late autumn or early winter, which is, in my opinion, the best time to go.

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Hi Marshall - I just returned from my trip which included 5 nights in Venice. Saw the main Biennale exhibits and several satellite galleries. Caught the Damien Hirst show at both locations. Also highly recommend the European Cultural Centre at both Palazzo Mora and Palazzo Bembo. I stayed in the Castello so ate mostly around there. Highly recommend both Al Covo and Covino. Al Covo is the more formal ristorante. Covino (it’s younger sibling) is my kind of place (dinner only), 3 courses for 40€, all natural wine list. Very tiny place so book well in advance through the website (2 seatings at 7 and 9:30). Also in Castello is Corte Sconta. Very nice with a lovely patio area in back. Excellent seafood. Also ate at Estro (Dorsoduro). A really nice natural wine enoteca with great food-might be a good lunch choice. I highly recommend a visit to San Michele (island cemetery) if you enjoy that kind of thing-I do! Also, the easiest transfer from Marco Polo (assuming you arrive there) is via the Alilaguna water taxi. You’ll get a nice overview of Venice on your way. Enjoy your trip!

For centuries, Venice has attracted writers and artists who sought inspiration by visiting or living in this most magical of cities. The great writer Joseph Brodsky was one such person who heard the siren’s call, and ended up spending some twenty winters in the city. His meditation on Venice is eloquently captured in WATERMARK, a must read for those visitors who have already been smitten by La Serenissima’s spell, and for those who may be contemplating a trip.

I’d really like to spend some time in Venice in the winter. Maybe when I retire. Bet it’s spooky as hell!

I see your point, Neal. It may appear to be spooky in winter when the city is enveloped in mist and the only compass one has is the twinkling of lights from monuments, shops and apartments. Yes, it may appear to be spooky when walking late at night or early in the morning, and the only sound one hears is the gentle splashing of water in the canal. And in winter, the “ghosts” do come out, but as whispers that remind one of Venice’s history and beauty. I’ve spent many a winter there, and I love it when the locals once again reclaim their city. You know Venice is Venice when the only language you hear spoken is Italian and the Venetian dialect.

A couple of numbers to dwell on, provided by a forumite on a travel forum.

~ 55,000 : Number of Italians living in Venice
~ 20,000,000 : Number of tourists each year to Venice

Those are staggering numbers. All the more so to visit Venice in late November or, even better, winter.

Hi Peter
Yes, the numbers posted by someone just returned from a visit there, who was recalling how it was back in 1968/9 and longing for those days. Some of our friends noted recently how touristy Verona had become in the last two decades and places like Cinque Terre now struggling with the huge numbers of visitors.

Travelling out of summer in most (but not all) places helps. Our preference is for May or Sept/Oct, but for the very touristy places, I think Jan/Feb would make sense.

Regards
Ian

There are two exceptions when traveling to Venice in winter. The Christmas/New Years period; and Carnevale, which in 2018 runs from 27th January-13th February. Venice is packed during these two times.

Do you think they’d be prepared to reschedule to create a gap? [wink.gif]

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We were in Florence last month but after reading this thread I realize that we definitely should return to Italy. Venice…ah

How bad is Venice over New Year’s Eve ? We currently plan to be there 30 December to 2 January. Is this a mistake ?

New Year’s Eve in any major city is festive, and Venice is no exception. I’ve never been to Venice over the Christmas and New Year’s holidays, but neighbors and friends have, and they told me they would never do it again. The entire city is filled with revelers, tens of thousands of them, many in costumes with alcohol in their hands. If you’re looking for a quiet dinner surrounded by the romance of Venice, save it for another time. Go in the week before Christmas or in mid-January through February.

Just found this thread. Going early next May (2018). Us and another couple are both celebrating our 25th. Just going to hang out for a week. Great recs in this thread. Thanks for adding all the details.

Unfortunately, I had to put off the trip to Venice! However, next year looks like a go! Will definitely keep this thread going and use it in the future. Thanks to everyone!

Cheers!
Marshall

My wife and I stayed at the Westin Europa and the Hotel Danieli when we went to Venice a few years ago. We had a lagoon view room at the Danieli and it did not disappoint. The Concierge recommended a Steakhouse that was walking distance and fantastic. Can’t recall the name.

I can’t imagine eating at a steakhouse in Venice no matter how good it is.

Yahoo! Quoting myself… [dance-clap.gif] [rofl.gif] Finally have our days booked in Venice for October! “Officially” ready for more recommendations! grouphug


Thanks again!

Cheers!
Marshall [berserker.gif]