Using Qvevri & Natural Wines...Cultural Appropriation??

[Jay_Miller]

@Otto Forsberg

@TomHill

@Otto Forsberg

Why is everyone here talking of kvevris (or qvevris) as “qvervis”?

Because I misspelled it in my title, Otto.
Tom

That explains only your part. I’m waiting for other people’s excuses.

Or is it that if somebody misspells Burgundy as “Bugrundy” in the title, you’re not allowed to use any other spelling than Bugrundy in that thread?

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

[Otto_Forsberg]

@Jay Miller

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

I gathered something like this must have been going on here!

[Jay_Miller]

@Otto Forsberg

@Jay Miller

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

I gathered something like this must have been going on here!

We are a board of exquisite sensibility.

[Ian_Sutton]

@Jay Miller

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

Or in my case, utterly clueless of the correct spelling, so copying the OP because I knew no better!

[Jay_Miller]

@Ian Sutton

@Jay Miller

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

Or in my case, utterly clueless of the correct spelling, so copying the OP because I knew no better!

Hush. You’re exceptionally polite and have exquisite sensibility. Don’t mess with the narrative!

[Ian_Sutton]

@Jay Miller

@Ian Sutton

@Jay Miller

It is simply a matter of everyone on the board being exceptionally polite and not wanting to call attention to an error. Surely you’ve noticed that before?

Or in my case, utterly clueless of the correct spelling, so copying the OP because I knew no better!

Hush. You’re exceptionally polite and have exquisite sensibility. Don’t mess with the narrative!

Where do you think they got the idea for ‘Tim, nice but dim’

Tim Nice But Dim posh dinner party scene

Harry Enfield - Tim Nice But Dim (Armed Robbery)

[GregT]

Why is everyone here talking of kvevris (or qvevris) as “qvervis”?

Because that’s how it’s usually spelled in English. You can probably blame the French. Same reason we no longer speak of the cwen, but instead talk of the queen.

In fact, even if you can’t really blame the French etymologically, blame them anyway. They surely deserve blame for something.

Regardless, it’s spelled quervi, qvevri, kveri and probably several other ways. But here are some votes for the “q”.

Wine Enthusiast: Doqi 2014 Qveri Rkatsiteli (Georgia) Rating and Review | Wine Enthusiast

UNESCO: Ancient Georgian traditional Qvevri wine-making method - intangible heritage - Culture Sector - UNESCO

WORLD BANK: What’s in a Qvevri? Georgia’s Intangible Cultural Heritage

Bugrundy on the other hand, is always and forever plain old simple Bugrundy!

[Chris_Seiber]

@GregT

The idea of “cultural appropriation” is such utter horseshit I can’t take anyone seriously who uses the term. Imagine the first caveman who picked up a stone and hit someone with it. He must have felt really bad when he saw someone pick up a stone and try to hit him with it!

And then that whole invention of the wheel thing. Or writing?

Oh yeah, and wine making. They claim to have been the origin of it in Georgia but that’s only because people like McGovern culturally appropriated the use of carbon dating to determine that the age of vessels found in Georgia is older than those found elsewhere. But that’s only because the culturally appropriated concept of archeology is limited to what we can find in the present. And not for nothing, but the Egyptians and many others were using crock pots for their wine - it was the container of choice around the world back in ancient times before being replaced by stainless steel refrigerated tanks.

So it’s OK for the Georgians to culturally appropriate something but the appropriation stops with them?

The main thing Georgian wine makers need to be concerned with isn’t the use of those qvervi, it’s their wine!

Glad someone just came right out and spoke the truth here, rather than tiptoe around this BS concept.

[Otto_Forsberg]

@GregT

Because that’s how it’s usually spelled in English. You can probably blame the French. Same reason we no longer speak of the cwen, but instead talk of the queen.

In fact, even if you can’t really blame the French etymologically, blame them anyway. They surely deserve blame for something.

Regardless, it’s spelled quervi, qvevri, kveri and probably several other ways. But here are some votes for the “q”.

Wine Enthusiast: Doqi 2014 Qveri Rkatsiteli (Georgia) Rating and Review | Wine Enthusiast

UNESCO: Ancient Georgian traditional Qvevri wine-making method - intangible heritage - Culture Sector - UNESCO

WORLD BANK: What’s in a Qvevri? Georgia’s Intangible Cultural Heritage

Bugrundy on the other hand, is always and forever plain old simple Bugrundy!

Ah good old Bugrundy!

But my point wasn’t k vs. q (that’s a whole another story and even Georgian themselves like to write it with a “q” even it is both written and pronounced with a “k” in Georgian).

My point was that the OP (and the topic) was on qvervi instead of qvevri and I found it amusing how every single poster repeated the same mistake.

And as it turned out, this whole thing was only a matter of exceptional politeness and exquisite sensibility!

[Steve_Slatcher]

Georgians spell it ქვევრი

[Otto_Forsberg]

@Steve Slatcher

Georgians spell it ქვევრი

You got me there