Hey Patrick
I wasn’t looking at southern Ohio in detail, but as of today your path looks desolate.
A couple of stores south of Dayton. That said Ohio drops liquor very oddly.
Check this finder out Tuesday before you leave.
How are other states finding availability.?
It seemed like NY state hs it all over for ~70?
We got VEP in state for maybe a couple of months before the whole shortage thing started,
I saw the CC post of a NY resident kindly offering his bottle for 350. So figured there must have been a drop there. Was thinking of going to Buffalo to look around.
Does NY have a locator like I pointed out above for Ohio?
$70 seems pretty good considering many places were selling for $60+/- prior to the whole blow up.
I’ve been mostly in Argentina since 2020 and it is illegal to sell the green here because alc% is too high according to local laws. I was getting the yellow for an incredibly low $22 (basically half price compared to France) but now it goes for over $100.
If any Chartreuse was to be found last year in California it was around $100.
Old bottle of Chartreuse fetches over 4,000 euros at auction but that price is actually down from a few years ago due to people becoming leery of fakes hitting the market.
Fake Chartreuse is a problem. I only buy old bottles from retailers in Europe who I trust (Caves Bossetti, primarily, but they have been mostly wiped out) and I had success with Skinner awhile back when Joe Hyman worked there).
I was getting the yellow in Argentina for about $22/btl until last year. No green on the legal market there because the alcohol level exceeds a weird limit they have. With the combo of the monks curbing production and a huge flux in the fx, now even the yellow goes for about $100-120.
Bossetti still gets a special annual release and I buy a few when we’re in Paris. Although they don’t have much of the old stuff for sale often, it is worth stopping by to pick up the annual release. Chartreuse opened a shop in Odeon, but it is staffed by pretty young people who don’t know much about Chartreuse and the shop only has current, wide release bottles for sale. Or did when we were there in Oct.
We went to the Cave de la Chartreuse in Voiron this spring on our way to the house we rented in Talloires. Fun tour and was able to purchase a few bottles of the current offerings (one bottle of the verte per person limit)
Over the past two years, I’ve grabbed whatever I’ve found at retail (the prices have gone up dramatically). I now have enough to last a long time. These days, I see both the yellow and green on the shelves more than I had previously and the bottles linger, but it’s still very hard to find by me.
Seems to be easier to find again now here. The price has gone up but a little goes a long way.
I wonder about the value in old bottles, the sweetness recedes to an extent and the herbal elements become more defined but it becomes different rather than better.
I never imagined that the shortage would last this long - I still can’t find a single bottle in LA - no matter the price. I figured after the first year or two everybody would have done their stockpiling and have enough to last for years, at which point it would start to appear again - even if at a higher price. That certainly hasn’t been the case here.
I was recently at Mission Wine and Spirits in Pasadena - the kind of place that I know would have some - and spent over $500 on a cart full of things. I thought that would be enough to get a bottle. When I asked if they had any the first guy behind the counter gave the second guy the eye that said ‘should we give him some of what we have hidden under the counter’ and the second guy said “Sorry, we haven’t got any”. Most of me says that I don’t want to buy a bottle even if I find one just because I am so annoyed by the whole thing. However, there is that other part of me that says it is key to some really good cocktails that I miss. I’ve tried the Spanish stand-in and been disappointed. Maybe I’ll break down on a trip to Paris and bring some home.
In the end, I’m kind of amazed at how quickly the monks have torched the brand. When a dedicated cocktail guy is ready to write them off permanently out of pure annoyance, they might have pushed their game too far. I don’t think that the Pappy strategy is going to work with Chartreuse in the medium-long term but I could be wrong. Even in the short-term I don’t think that the premium that they are selling at justifies the lost sales/brand damage.
The monks aren’t interested in the Pappy strategy. In fact, the collectors’ market is one of the reasons they stepped back production (that, and the wanted to get back to monk stuff). There are a couple of French knock offs we ran across this spring, but aren’t adequate
Thanks Glen, appreciate the effort, though aim skeptical whenever I see one of these corner store type places advertise it, especially at the old price, and not willing to drive an hour across town to test them. I will stop in, though, if near one of these spots in the near term to test them.
I get that their stated intent was because they didn’t want to get roped in to operating a bigger business and that they preferred to do other things. However, it seems the obvious choice would have been simply to hire some people rather than devalue the brand. It is also plausible that they have no interest in the brand value or cash flow, though seems like there are plenty of good works that they could accomplish with continued cash flow off a valuable asset. Their call.
I have a much harder time believing that creating scarcity was somehow a blow to the collectors market.