Understanding Italian Regions

Had no idea about the baths up there, but that makes sense! Wouldn’t mind doing this either, but in the end it’s up to her, as it’s her time for enjoying. Will include in the final presentation

Thanks again and to all who joined in. Will add some winelists, restaurant picks and concrete plans later and we can chat more about it.

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I’ve become quite intrigued by this presentation. Do you mean something formal with PowerPoint?

That’s special - looking forward to hear how it drinks when you give it a try🍷

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Haha, all of this will be distilled into a 10 minute presentation at our couch table and we’ll see what she goes for :man_shrugging: despite not being a 50 minute keynote it’s been tremendously helpful

A bit late to the party, but given your preferences and interest in finding a book, you absolutely should buy Joe Campanale’s Vino. For me, right now, it’s become my go-to recommendation for “intro to Italian wine” and also it shares a viewpoint with what you’re after. Campanile is super knowledgeable and also has a strong preference for what he calls “Vino Vero” aka lower-intervention winemaking made by careful winemakers from native grapes (aka, natural/natural-leaning but he’s looking for bottles that display craftsmanship and aren’t fucked up). He goes region-by-region and talks about major grapes, appellations, and lists some producers to look out for, but it’s not trying to be exhaustive and it’s an easy read. For the most part, I think he’s spot-on with his producer recs.

I’d second hopping up to Friuli, Lord knows they’ll be able to use the tourism after the recent flooding, and it’s also one of the most interesting places to talk to producers about wine (native vs. autochthonous grapes are not as clear-cut as in most of Italy, and there’s a wide range of styles that winemakers work in). Ronchi di Cialla, Vignai da Duline, i Clivi, Edi (Kristian) Keber, and Mitja Sirk would all be great stops.

In the Veneto, I’ll second the rec for L’Arco and Angelino Maule, and throw in that you should also look at Ca’ La Bionda, who are making some of the most impressively nuanced, bright/focused wines in the region.

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Not late at all!

Thanks for the rec. I will definitely find the book.
Very good points, and funny enough— the main bar for ‘vino vero’ in venice is called ‘Vino Vero’. My partner picked me up a 1986 Lino Maga last time she went.
I think if we can’t find time or the energy to move down south, we’ll definitely just pick up a rental car and go somewhere in Friuli and or the Dolomites.

For Sicily, I would add:

Girolamo Russo and Maugeri (both on the slopes of Mt. Etna)

Thanks a lot! Will check them out.

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From a style perspective I am pretty sure you would thoroughly enjoy the wines from Olek Bondonio, Cascina Fontana and Stella Campalto.

Giuseppe Mascarello has also become a true favourite of mine in the past year or so. The Monprivato can be stunningly good and stand toe to toe with the best out there.

And if you stumble upon a Roero from Manuele Priolo, then buy it!

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Also a trio that’s been in my spotlight. Thanks Lasse.

Roero looks intriguing.

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Last time I went there was 10 years ago, even though I don’t remember the name of the restaurant, I took a picture of the wine we had that night so I can share the coordinates that I see on the picture metadata. If the restaurant is still there, it might be the only place that carries a large Triple A wine selection.

I would happily wait for you to come and visit Miami one of these days :wine_glass:

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Would be a pleasure Mariano, perhaps not that likely in the next coming years but if you come to Amsterdam before I make it to Miami, then I would happily open a 90s Schioppettino (should have a 99 or 96 somewhere), as well as an older CiallaBianco🍷

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Just an update here;

I sampled some of the wines I have available here in Korea and that are within reasonable budget. The selection here is very young and quite marked up, and from the producers you guys listed the selection is even slimmer, so I decided to test some simple wines thereamong;

Ca’ del Baio Autinbej 2019
Poderi Colla Dardi Le Rose Bussia 2017 — this was a let down. Cooked fruit.
Trediberri Barbera d’Alba 2019
I think there was a G Fenocchio somewhere too

But what stole the show was a 2019 Cavallotto Langhe Nebbiolo. Dusty, Floral and just simply a really well made wine. It made me think that if they show this care in the bottom then the top wines must be fantastic. I saw some promise and direction in Ca del Baio too.

I’ll be in venice for three weeks in April/May as I said, so I’ll try to see if I can visit Cavallotto, Burlotto, Giuseppe Maga and a few Friulian guys like Gravner and Damijan. Will report back, and if anyone has tips on visiting up there please let me know.

Thanks again.

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Happy to read Mads!

For me 2017 is probably the worst recent vintage together with 2018 in the last 15 years or so. Haven’t had much from 2020 onward… 2017 Nebbiolo wines regardless of winery (some exceptions perhaps) are in that underwhelming direction. Wouldn’t discount Colla because of it (not saying you did).

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That is a very fair point, Mikael, I’ll keep in mind when I see some other vintages.

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With an attempt to not make this more overwhelming I am reposting @Otto_Forsberg list because it is excellent, and I am just adding a few more in bold and italics.

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Grattamacco’s Vermentino is a prize worth tasting though. Espescially 5-10 years post vintage.

What he publicly expressed was quite disturbing. It was certainly less indirect than when I got suspended here after being offended and responded.

I got some bottles before I knew of it and I can reassure you that every sip tastes very disturbing.

If you can stomach it, don’t mind or actually supports his sentiment, then the wines are not bad, though far from great.

Objectively - Friuli has so much more and better to offer plus low correction between price and quality. Factor in the disturbing taste of the wine, why would anyone buy it?

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I don’t touch the wines anymore. I sadly don’t think the wines are far from great though. Some I have had were exceptional, but I don’t want to support someone like him, so the wines are now off limits at my house.

Hopefully the terroir changes hands one day.

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