TNs: Rousseaus and the rest


Great night at Jade Palace who were doing Rousseau week with very reasonable mark-ups. Brought some wines to share that I thought might give the Rousseaus a run for their money at a lower price point, and it turned out that it wasn’t easy to pick out the Rousseaus at all. I wasn’t sure of the identity of the CSJ, but I said that by far there was a standout wine in the mix. Was willing it not to be the CSJ but unfortunately it was. WOTN for the others was more close-run, with the Rossignol-Trapet doing well in particular.
Rousseaus vs the rest

  • 2012 Domaine Rossignol Trapet Chapelle-Chambertin - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Chapelle-Chambertin Grand Cru
    Much better showing than the last time round. Perfumed nose with dark red fruit, brambly and earthy coffee notes on the palate that showed good Gevrey typicity. Had a GC stature compared to the rest - more stuffing and impressive length but not quite the delineation of the best producers. (93 pts.)
  • 2018 Claude Dugat Gevrey-Chambertin - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin
    Stylistically very similar to the '19 Rousseau Clos du Château. Candied, jammy fruit that needs more time to integrate. Better with air so can see the potential the previous tasters mentioned. (90 pts.)
  • 2015 Alain Hudelot-Noëllat Vosne-Romanée - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée
    Easy to pick this out as the outlier with the floral, five-spiced laden perfume. Consistent with my previous impression, very pleasurable without being too complex. Superb nose but lacked the depth of the better plots tonight despite my affection for wines of this ilk. (91 pts.)
  • 2017 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Clos St. Jacques - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru
    When blinded, I said that this was the standout wine by far and I hoped that it wouldn’t be the Rousseau CSJ. Gorgeous, lifted nose of fresh berries. Had a sensual, silky palate, I don’t use minerality for reds often but that was present in spades here. Very much an iron fist in a velvet glove with incredible depth, when I was tasting the wine it kept giving and uncovering additional layers of dark cherry fruit. So seamless and truly a wish-you-were-here sort of wine. A bucket-list wine that lived up to expectations and more. (96 pts.)
  • 2018 Domaine Marc Roy Gevrey-Chambertin Cuvée Alexandrine - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin
    Have had mixed experiences with this producer but this was a very good showing. Had the 2018 density but still very classically built with savoury, meaty notes. Superb concentration of fruit that some including myself thought that this might have been the Rousseau! (93 pts.)
  • 2014 Louis Jadot Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Clos St. Jacques - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru
    Very Jadot CSJ, was easy to pick out. Lovely pure red fruit with some Gevrey iron notes. Power without weight, albeit a little thin and dilute in this vintage. (92 pts.)
  • 2019 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Clos du Château - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin
    Stylistically very similar to the '18 Claude Dugat, but with silkier fruit. Others liked this more than I did - not a fan of the Rhone-like characteristics from the warm vintage here. (90 pts.)

Other wines
Some generous extras from our table and the wine swap with another table.

  • 2012 E. Guigal Condrieu La Doriane - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Condrieu
    Rich, aromatic white with zero acidity. Textbook white northern Rhone (not a good thing). Too much butterscotch and honey notes for me. (85 pts.)
  • 2017 Louis Jadot Corton-Charlemagne Domaine des Héritiers Louis Jadot - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
    Generous extra but unfortunately not ready for primetime. Didn’t like the distracting vanilla and nutty notes, but had an impressive weight and structure. Just needs more time to integrate the oak. (91 pts.)
  • 2018 Henri Germain et Fils Meursault 1er Cru Les Poruzots - France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Meursault 1er Cru
    Superb nose that made it obvious that this was a top maker. Guessed Puligny because of the citrus, linear fruit. Classic, old-school white Burgundy without any reduction. Nicely proportioned and good to go now. (93 pts.)
  • 2020 Cloudburst Chardonnay - Australia, Western Australia, South West Australia, Margaret River
    Wow thought this was a Puligny from a serious maker. Very Burgundian, ripe citrus fruit with impressive density. Superb acidity despite the large frame. Still young but with immense potential. (93 pts.)
  • 2015 Coche-Dury Bourgogne-Aligoté - France, Burgundy, Bourgogne-Aligoté
    My first Coche and wasn’t very impressed when I was blinded with this. Ripe but shrill acidity, thought it wasn’t a Chardonnay which was as far as I could get at this point of the tasting. (88 pts.)
  • 2019 Charles Lachaux Côte de Nuits Villages Aux Montagnes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Côte de Nuits Villages
    Made in a new-school, candied red-fruited style. Drank like a natural Beaujolais. (88 pts.)
  • 2018 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Clos du Château - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin
    Better than the '19. Had the power and density from the vintage, firm tannins but also a balance and restraint rarely seen in '18s. From this data point, Rousseau managed the vintage superbly. (92 pts.)
  • 2019 Domaine Armand Rousseau Père et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin
    Slightly candied fruit but the spice and coffee notes helped to rein the wine in. Better than '19 Clos du Château that we had at our table but still a step below the '18 Clos du Château. In general I felt that the straight village was made in a more serious manner than the Clos du Château. (91 pts.)



Lovely notes, thanks!


Nice! Makes me kinda happy for having a 2018 Marc Roy Gevrey (The Justice, though) in the cellar. The Lachaux note is funny considering the pricing…

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Thanks, Melvin,
Looks like a great night! Interesting about the Clos vs. the regular village bottling, especially as this is the only Rousseau I own these days. Have some serious Rossignol-T though.


I never tasted the wine myself, but it is pretty clear that he does not like “natural” leaning red wines. He is very consistent about it though. When I pick this up from his notes, I know it is probably a wine that I like :grin:

Great notes as always Melvin.

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That’s a good point. My palate though tends to align quite well with Melvin’s so useful all the same :grinning:

When Rousseau is at the table, it’s tough for other wines. We did a 93 horizontal a few weeks ago, and despite lots of great GC wines at the table, Rousseau Chambertin was just at another level.

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I also seem to align with Melvin on quite a bit. Just not Pinot Noir.


Thanks all for your insights!

Definitely align with your palate on Rhone/Jura/Loire @LasseK, albeit not Pinot and perhaps new-school Grenache :smiley:

@Jayson_Cohen Would it be correct to say that the differential to other producers is large for the big 3, but perhaps not for the other Rousseau bottlings?

@Joshua_Kates Always a reliable producer for me, just that prices have gone up as with everyone else recently! Got the Chappelle Chambertin for 120 USD a few years back which to me was a bargain.


You dislike the category, that‘s your good right. But within the Condrieu peer group this is one of the better executions and if rated against other Condrieus it usually comes out 10 points higher.

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Think I’ve only enjoyed Vernay and Perret’s Condrieus!


[orders Cloudburst]

Thanks for the notes - sounds like a fun evening!

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Yes does sound good. Haven’t pied a bottle in these parts as yet.
EDIT: Just saw their prices :crazy_face:

Marc Roy–they make very good red wine :slight_smile:

From 2019:

2010 Marc Roy Gevrey Chambertin VV

This was one of my contribs. It took a little bit of air to unlock and I was worried it might be slightly corked, but that definitely blew off as well. I really liked this, as there is a real brightness of red fruit and some chestnut to complement it, while the aromatics speak of some earth and loam with darker berries. Also drinking really well now, a bit surprised since it was a pop-and-pour.

In the cyclical thing of personal palate, I’m now off pretty much all Condrieu–even Vernay, though maybe I could bring myself to try some more Grillet :grinning:

Great notes on what looks like another super night, Melvin

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