TN: Some New Whites...(long/boring)

We tasted this week (6/11/14) Some New Whites:

  1. Dom. de Tariquet Classic IGP: Cotes de Gascogne (MeBaD; 45% UgniBlanc/35% Colombard/10% Sauvignon/
    10% GrosManseng; 10.5%) FammilleGrama/Eauze 2013
    : Light gold color; rather appley/pineapple light stony/tinny/
    metallic rather simple nose; very/very tart/screechy/grapefruity/tangy/metallic slight stony/earthy/appley
    rather painful flavor w/ very little fruit; very acid/searing/screechy/grapefruity some stony/metallic finish;
    pleasant/simple enough nose but painfully searing on the palate; off to the distillery for this one. $10.00 (UdW)

  1. PaixSurTerre UgniBlanc PasoRobles (13.3%; www.PaixSurTerreWines.com) Ryan&Nicole Pease/PR 2013: Light gold color;
    fairly fragrant floral/apple blossom/appley/mango light spicy/nutmeg quite attractive nose; somewhat tart fairly
    rich/lush light appley/floral/apple blossom light stony/mineral flavor; med.long fairly tart light appley/apple
    blossom/floral light stony/mineral finish; quite a nice brisk/refreshing white but a bit neutral on the palate.
    $nc (RP)/$27.00

  1. Massican sauvignon NapaVlly (100% SauvBlanc; 13.9%; www.Massican.com) 2010: Med.gold color; rather herbal/stony/
    mineral slight honeyed/nutmeg/butterscotchy bit minty/spearmint/Dentine some fresh cut hay (it’s a Kansas thing)/
    clover complex very attractive nose; rather tart quite honeyed some nutty/aged/butterscotch rather fresh cut hay/
    clover lovely/complex flavor; very long/lingering honeyed/clover/fresh-mown hay some honeyed/nutty/butterscotch
    complex finish; showing some honeyed/mead-like/aged complex character; a beautiful/complex SB. $29.00

  1. Massican Sauvignon JuilianaVnyd/PopeVlly/NapaVlly (100% SauvBlanc; 150 cs; 13.8%; Bttld: March 2012)
    2011
    : Med.gold color; slight stinky/reduced/pungent some herbal/cat pee light stony/mineral rather fresh-cut
    hay/clover light honeyed complex nose; rather tart/tangy more herbal/cat-pee/SB some stony/mineral new-mown hay/
    clover slight mango/pineapple refreshing/lovely flavor; very long/lingering fresh/clean/clover/hay bit herbal/
    cat-pee some pungent/funky bit honeyed complex finish; not as honeyed or complex as the '10 and more SB varietal
    character. $31.00

  1. Massican sauvignon NapaVlly (13.7%) 2012: Med.light gold color; very fresh/fragrant/perfumed fresh clover/hay/
    spicy/floral light herbal/SB slight honeyed lovely clean/refreshing nose; rather tart/tangy fresh mown clover/
    floral/honeyed/melony/spicy slight pungent/herbal/stony/mineral lovely flavor; very long/lingering fresh/clover/
    floral/melony/mango bit herbal/pungent clean/refreshing/tangy/tart slight honeyed finish; very unlike most Calif
    SB and much more Friuli in character; stands up well to the famed Miani. $27.00

  1. Miani Sauvignon DOC: Friuli Colli Orientali Sauvignon (14.5%) 2012: Med.gold color; rather perfumed talc/honeyed/
    complex some floral/clover/springtime flowers bit spicy/nutmeg very/very perfumed/exotic/hard-to-describe/lush
    beautiful nose; softer/lusher/riper bit tangy very spicy/nutmeg/floral/honeyed/mango/pineapple oily/textured
    seamless/flawless/balanced complex beautiful flavor; very long/lingering honeyed/floral/nutmeg/very spicy/slight
    herbal/pungent/insecticide very balanced/seamless textured/ripe/oily finish; very un-SauvignonBlanc but a
    beautiful/complex/seamless white that’s hard to come up w/ descriptors for; I blanched a bit at the price but
    it may be worth it. $68.00 (AV)

  1. Massican sauvignon SauvBlanc NapaVlly (14.1%) 2013: Pale gold color; strong herbal/SB/pungent some fresh clover/
    hay slight honeyed/spicy fairly perfumed/fragrant more classic SB nose; rather tart/tangy some stony/mineral
    clean/refreshing/clover/hay some herbal/pungent/SB/pineapple bit spicy very attractive flavor; very long light
    stony/mineral some pungent/herbal/SB/pineapple/ripe clean/clover/hay/refreshing finish; a bit simpler than the
    others & needs some age; shows more pungent/herbal/classic SB character; lovely SB. $28.00

  1. Borgo Conventi Sauvignon DOC: Collio (14%) RuffinoImport/Farra d’Isonzo/Collio 2011: Med.light gold color; some
    funky/reduced/pungent slight unclean/toe jam rather floral/dandelion some herbal/SB/earthy rather interesting nose;
    rather soft some floral/dandelion/herbal some oak/vanilla bit earthy flavor; med.long slight funky/unclean some
    earthy light floral/dandelion/herbal/stony finish; a bit on the funky side and a bit on the bland/innocuous side
    but somewhat interesting and a great buy for a Friuli Sauvignon. $13.00

  1. LaColombera Derthona Timorasso DOC: ColliTortonesi (13.5%; www.IndigenousSelections.com) PierCarlo Semino/
    Vho di Tortona 2010
    : Med.gold color; very attractive floral/tropical fruit/melony quite spicy/fragrant lovely
    nose; lightly tart clean/floral/tropical fruit/melony quite perfumed/rose petal/spicy attractive flavor; med.long
    bright floral/mango/tropical fruit/melony rather spicy bit tart finish; lots of Timorasso fruit but not much other
    stuff; some like a spicy Calif Chard, some like a SBC Riesling; pretty wine. $27.00 (SFW&S)

  1. Vigneti Massa Derthona VinoBianco (14%; 100% Timorasso) Monleale 2010: Med.light gold color; bit ultraripe/
    pungent/burnt caramel/butterscotchy slight aromatic/plastic/plastic trash can bit herbal/musky/ozone almost
    muscatty/overripe apples/stewed apples rather exotic nose; lightly tart rather musky/muscatty intense floral/
    caramel/butterscotchy/creme brulee/toasted marshmallows/pungent/smoked hot dogs/overripe apples rather complex/
    exotic flavor; very long/lingering toasted marshmallows/creme brulee bit burnt very musky/almost muscatty finish;
    a beautiful/complex/exotic wine. $37.00 (BWM)

  1. Domaine Georges Vernay Viognier LePied de Samson VdP: CollinesRhodaniennes (13%; Martine’sWines) 2012: Med.gold
    color; very strong ripe peach/pear/Viog some Condrieu-like/spicy quite perfumed/fragrant lovely nose; soft very
    floral/Viog/ripe peach/pear slight earthy very Condrieu-like lovely flavor; very long/lingering floral/pear/ripe
    peach/Viog/spicy quite aromatic finish; a lovely Viog and the most Condrieu-like I’ve had from the Collines; a
    bit lacking in structure. $41.25 (Enoteca)

  1. Failla Viognier AlbanVnyd/EdnaVlly (14.1%) 2012: Med.light gold color; slight volatile very perfumed/aromatic
    strong ripe pear/Viog/peach slight dusty/earthy somewhat complex/spicy beautiful nose; rather tart beautiful
    ripe peach/ripe pear/Viog/very spicy structured/textured complex flavor; very long/lingering powerfully
    aromatic ripe pear/ripe peach/Viog spicy fairly tart/structured/complex finish; a beautiful perfumed Viog that
    blows away any Alban; amazing wine. $42.00

12a. Loken Viognier Reserve TumbasVnyd/AmadorCnty/Calif (Lot 15; 15.0%) NevadaWineCellars/Pahrump 2012: Med.dark
gold color; quite charred/toasty/oak/smokey/creme brulee some floral/perfumed/Viog slight herbal some valve
oil/petrol complex weird nose; very soft/fat strong smokey/burnt sugar/toasted marshmallow slight floral/perfumed/
ripe peach/Viog very ripe/porky flavor; med.long soft/fat very strong toasted marshmallow/burnt sugar/creme brulee
some Viog/very ripe peach finish; a very bizarre rendition of a DollyParton Viog slathered w/ melted marshmallows.
$25.00 (Sterbenz mystery)


  1. Tatomer Riesling KickOnRanch/SBC (BA; B33R3N4USL3S3; 10.5%; 60 cs; www.TatomerWines.com; RS: 11.5%; SaH: 30 Brix;
    Botrytis affected grapes) Lompoc 2011
    : Light gold color; strong pineapple/JR/ripe/mango strong Mosel valve oil/
    gout de petrol light botrytis/peach syrup/fruit cocktail very fragrant/perfumed beautiful nose; rather sweet
    fairly tart very strong JR/valve oil/petrol intense pineapple/mango/JR ripe light botrytis/peach syrup lovely
    flavor; very long/lingering strong valve oil/petrol/JR intense pineapple/mango/fruit cocktail/JR light botrytis/
    peachy finish; not very intense botrytis but a beautiful very Germanic Riesling; should age forever; very fairly
    priced at $38.00/hlf (DiV)

  1. Ad’OP Muscat de SaintJean de Minervois Terres de Muscat VinDouxNaturel SelectionPetitGrain (15%) 2012: Pale yellow
    color; very strong muscatty/floral/perfumed rather simple nose; quite sweet soft/fat/underacid strong muscatty/
    floral bit watery/lightweight/insipid simple flavor; med.short very sweet soft/fat strong muscatty/floral rather
    watery/simple/insipid finish; much like a Muscato d’Asti w/o the bubbles; dull as dishwater.
    $18.00/hlf (TotalBev)

A wee BloodyPulpit:

  1. UgniBlanc: This grape (and Colombard) are primarily used for making Cognac & Armagnac. Most of the versions I’ve
    tried from Gascony have been totally uninspiring. This Tariquet was an exception…exceptionally undrinkable.
    Ryan & Nicole are the first Calif UgniBlanc that I am aware of. Ryan thought I should try his wine and sent
    me a sample for our group to try. He was inspired by the TablasCreek Vermentino to try UgniBlanc. This is,
    by far, the best UgniBlanc (or Trebbiano) that I have yet tried. It didn’t quite have the aromatics of the
    Tablas Vermentino/Rolle but it was a very nice/refreshing summer white that has a nice stony/mineral component.
    More than anything, it reminded me of the old Chalone CyrilSaviez NapaVlly FrenchColombard w/o the oak those
    usually showed. Maybe more akin to the Carmenet from that vnyd. I think that beautiful old Colombard planting
    has been grubbed up for Zinfandel.

  1. Massican/Miani: Massican is the wine made by DanPetrowski. After spending time in Italy, Dan fell in love w/
    the white wines of Friuli. His day job is making wines at LarkmeadWnry in Calistoga.
    Miani is made by EnzoPontoni, somewhat of a cult winemaker figure in Friuli. His wines are very scarce and
    highly sought-after, produced in tiny amounts. And expensive, obviously. He and Dan are fairly close friends
    and Dan is a big fan of Enzo’s wines.
    I thought it would be interesting to put Dan’s '12 Sauvignon up against the Miani '12. Though I somewhat
    preferred the Miani to the Massican…I did notice that the other guy from Friuli flinched.
    This is the most Massican sauvignons I’ve had the privledge to taste at one time. I’m not a particularly
    big fan of Calif SauvBlanc and find the Friulian ones fit my taste profile better. They seem to have less of
    the overt herbaceous/weedy character of Calif SauvBlanc and much more restrained use of oak. I think the
    Massicans, especially if the get a bit of age, fits the Friulian mold better than any other from Calif.
    I’d love to see what Dan could do w/ SauvignonMusque and Malvasia d’Istria.

  1. Timorasso: This is a rare variety grown in the SE corner of Piemonte in the Derthona region, hard by the border
    w/ Lombardy. It was brought back from near extinction by WalterMassa in the mid-'80’s. I was first introduced
    to the variety by DarrellCorti some 10 yrs ago. It’s my favorite wine of all the Piemontese Whites, even
    including the famed SutterHome White Nebbiolo. It has the power & texture of a good Chard, but the aromatics
    of a good Arneis or Favorita.
    The Colombera is a nicely done Timorasso that just showed up here in NM. Nice/smple expression of Timorasso.
    The Massa was the most unusual Timorassos I’ve had of his. It was much different than the one I had at Bergamot
    w/ SamBilbro a few months ago. This one seemed much more aged and exotic. Walter thinks Timorasso is a wine
    that really needs to be aged. This one would confirm that claim.

  1. Tatomer: These are the wines of GrahamTatomer. I’ve had his Gruners and Rieslings before and was quite impressed
    by them. This is his first dessert Riesling that I’ve tried. The grapes, where were botrytis affected, came from
    KickOnRanch, just NW of LosAlamos. I was totally flumoxed by the B33R3N4USL3S3 on the label. Brian explained
    that it’s hacker notation for “Beerenauslese”, a term no longer permited on US labels. Quite clever, I thought.
    For a BA, I was expecting a bit more botrytis along the lines of a German BA. But those are often below
    20Brix before the botrytis sets in to drive the sugar up to 30Brix. This Tatomer BA was probably in the mid-
    20Brix at onset of botrytis, so I expect the amount of botrytis on the grapes was less than it would be for
    a German BA. Just speculating, of course. But it is as beautiful a Calif BA as I can recall of late.

  1. The Muscat was a cheapie from TotalBeverage in ABQ. This is how SutterHome would make Muscat in Minervois if
    they could. There was no identity of the producer on the label, other than a French ZipCode.
    Tom

If you want a pleasant tasting Ugni Blanc for about $7, try Domaine de Pouy. Not great, but pleasant. Must admit I was shocked seeing an Ugni Blanc for $27.

Most anything France can do, California can do differently for a lot more money.

[rofl.gif] How about Pinot Noir?

I said most.

Does Tatomer have a tasting room in the general vicinity of Lompoc?

Or anywhere to meet with customers - like a Farmer’s Market or some such?

Thanks.

Dan’s Gemina is Chardonnay Musque from the Hyde Vineyard. A special wine, a real mind bending version of Chardonnay.

Well said - swap Italy for France in that statement and it almost becomes embarrassing. I chuckle every time I see a California Barbera or Rosé north of $30…

Italy? Please! [wink.gif]

Yup, Howard. The Domaine de Pouy UgniBlanc (60%), a BobbyKacher Slctn, about $10 here in NM. It’s a quite pleasant/stony/mineral/lean kind of
UgniBlanc that I’ve had any number of times. One of the better ones around. Pleasant is exactly how I would describe it as well…with the right food.

As for “shocked” at a $27 btl Paso UB, I guess I’m not surprised. If one “knows” that DdP is the greatest wine that UB can ever aspire to, then one should rightly
be shocked at a $27 price tag. Unfortunately, I have no idea what greatness UB or Trebbiano can ever achieve, given a different terroir or winemaking than what’s found in Gascony.
I have a friend who always buys Charles Shaw SauvBlanc at $3/btl. A variety that has much more “noble” character than UB. He, too, is shocked when I would spend
$10 for a DdP, made from a “god-forsaken” grape. And rightfully so. Gawd knows his thoughts about a $27 UB would be.
I guess I cannot think of any PasoRobles white wine that sells in the range of $10/btl. Not even the old Pesenti whites (may they RIP) were that cheap. For cheap Paso whites,
you can get the Tablas Patelin de Tablas Blanc about $20. Or the Tablas Vermentino (yet another “god-forsaken” grape) at $24. It makes no sense to buy those wines when you can
buy DdP at $10, or a Cotes du Rhone Blanc at $14. Unless, perhaps, those two Tablas whites are better wines.
So, the bottom line, is the Paix UB worth $27/btl?? I guess its price is not too out of line w/ other Paso whites. I’d probably prefer the Tablas Patelin at $20. Is the Paix UB
a better wine than the DdP. I guess (given my Calif palate), I’d have to call it the greatest UB (or Trebbiano) in the world. I’ve had a few Trebbiano di Luganos (Turbiano…but not really
the same grape as UB) that were more expensive than $27…and were not as good.
I applaud Ryan for taking a stab at UB when he found out some was available. I’m sure he looked around and saw all the $10-$15 Gascon UB and Italian Trebbiano that was out there.
At that point, he should have just thrown in the towel and admitted defeat. But he was intrigued at what kind of UB he could make there in Paso. Turns out, I think he’s made the
greatest wine that perhaps UB can ever aspire to. For what that’s worth.
I guess I cannot think of a single Calif varietal that can’t be found elsewhere at a cheaper price. Why in gawd’s green earth would one buy a $48 Lagier-Meredith Malbec when there are
dozens of Argentine Malbecs out there at $8-$15/btl. Why in the world would one buy a Forlorn-Hope Vranac from Calif when you can buy a $10 Vranac from Macedonia…made by PhilipeCambie
no less. It makes no sense. Unless, in the unlikely event, the Calif rendition might taste better.
Tom (just [stirthepothal.gif] as I’ve occasionally been known to do)

[worship.gif]

  1. Failla Viognier AlbanVnyd/EdnaVlly (14.1%) 2012: Med.light gold color; slight volatile very perfumed/aromatic
    strong ripe pear/Viog/peach slight dusty/earthy somewhat complex/spicy beautiful nose; rather tart beautiful
    ripe peach/ripe pear/Viog/very spicy structured/textured complex flavor; very long/lingering powerfully
    aromatic ripe pear/ripe peach/Viog spicy fairly tart/structured/complex finish; a beautiful perfumed Viog that
    blows away any Alban; amazing wine. $42.00

Methinks you will be very lucky to get an invite to barrel taste at Alban again.

Tom,

I have not had the $27 ugni that you tasted, so you are in a much better position to judge its value than I can. It was your tasting note (describing the wine as neutral), plus my experience with the variety (neutral is a great description of what I have tasted) that made me shocked at the price. If one wants to charge $27, why grow ugni, IMHO. Do you buy this wine on a regular basis? If this was new to you, would you buy it on a regular basis at this price?

Have you ever tasted Ugni Blanc or are you just babbling?

Well, Mitch…ever since I was dumped from John’s mailing list, I think the issue is pretty moot.
Tom

I think of UB as a rather neutral wine. Not a whole lot of aromatics & perfume of, say, Vermentino or Albarino. Just kind of a lean/stony minerality to it.
Least the ones I’ve had. This Paix had much more aromatics than any UB that I can recall. It was a bit “neutral” on the palate compared to the two Tablas
that I mentioned…but not nearly as neutral as most of the Gascon UB’s or Italian Trebb’s I’ve had.
Why grow UB?? Good question. Ryan found out there was a small plot of UB up on KilerCnynRd, took a look at the very limestone/rocky soils,
and jumped at the chance to make it to see what it could do. I doubt that he was just wanting to make a $27 white. He was interested if it would
give a white w/ some minerality to it. Given his druthers, he would rather make Vermentino. But UB was what he had, so that’s what he made.
And I’d have to say it’s the best UB/Trebb I’ve ever tried.
Bear in mind, the wine has long sold out. The btl was a gift to our group to try, inasmuch as I’ve liked his other wines a lot.
If I would have seen it available at $27/btl; I certainly would have jumped at it…just out of curiosity so as to see what Paso could do w/ UB.
Would I buy this wine on a regular basis at $27?? Probably not, other than just to try it from time to time. Would I buy the Tablas Vermentino @ $23/btl
on a regular basis? I would and do. Would I buy the Domaine du Pouy on a regular basis at $10/btl? I would and do when it shows up here in NM.
Would I buy a WindGap old-vine Mendo UB made w/ extended skin-contact at $60/btl? Definitely, out of curiosity to see what Pax as wrought.
Would I buy a CharlesShaw SauvBlanc at $3/btl?? Most definitely not…it’s as boring as hell. And boring wine is something I cannot tolerate.
Tom

So did you order the Tatomer off the website?

The website seems to be a little lean on ideas for how you could get ahold of it otherwise.

Nathan,
I’m pretty sure Tatomer doesn’t have a tasting room in Lompoc. Least I’ve not ever seen mention of one there.
I happened upon this BA at DiVino wine shop up in Denver. In the past, I’ve just ordered the Tatomers directly
off the WebSite.
Tom

Man, I was just nursing this fantasy of driving up the coast and drinking some quality dry Riesling in Lompoc with a winemaker.

Like heaven on earth.

Especially if you and your best friend brought along Sandra Oh and Virginia Madsen for the ride.

Glory be.

Thanks for the thoughts. Certainly, there are times you just want to see what a winemaker you like can do with something unusual. I agree with you that I would buy a $27 Ugni Blanc that is interesting (even if maybe not great) before a $3 boring wine.