TN: Is Bordeaux 2000 still going strong?

Laurent_Gibet · December 12, 2020, 7:52pm

Anyone commented LLC and BAMA 2000 ?

Keith_Levenberg · December 12, 2020, 9:13pm

The definition of colloquialism refers to informal speech, a term one might use in conversation but not so much in an academic paper. The AH’s diagnosis of the “usage problem” and its description of acronym as different from initialism in “strict usage” seems quite clearly to put it in that bucket. It appropriately recognizes the meaning without blessing it as correct.

Otto_Forsberg · December 12, 2020, 9:16pm

I love how you guys managed to hijack the thread from what I love (wine) to a completely another subject I love (utterly pointless nitpicking).

Jonathan_Loesberg · December 12, 2020, 9:22pm

Yeah, yeah, ywah.

Robert.A.Jr · December 12, 2020, 9:26pm

Haha, so true. So I wonder, Otto, is DORK an acronym, initialism or abbreviation for something occuring here?

PS. Was watching BAMA earlier, drinking beer. That, decidedly, is not DORK.

Otto_Forsberg · December 12, 2020, 9:57pm

I’m sure some smartypants could at least make DORK into a witty backronym!

David_Bu3ker · December 13, 2020, 12:37am

But what does it have to say about opacity?

Marc_Frontario · December 13, 2020, 4:15pm

Great retrospective. I’ve bought and been drinking quite a few 2000s recently, so this thread resonates. That Chasse Spleen is a great sleeper, wish I had more. My thoughts are very similar on that Magdelaine. I’m sitting on over a case, and have high expectations, but the last three bottles I’ve had this past year showed similarly. I’ve concluded Magdelaine in years like 2000, really do need a lot more time than 20 years. The 1980s vintages are drinking fantastically well with this estate, my last a stunning 1982 just 2 weeks ago. I missed on the Pichon Baron, my kind of wine for sure.

Interesting comments on the integration of the modern trappings. Do you think subsequent years where perhaps warmer climates, more modern heavy-handed making, and of course the critics and points’ chasing, will resolve the same way? I do not, but I’m often wrong as well! Pape Clement and Troplong seem to have become more Franken-wines as the decade progressed.

I still have another 2000 Pichon Baron for us

Victor_Hong · December 13, 2020, 5:29pm

You just stated their tautological equivalence.

RichardFlack · December 13, 2020, 6:12pm

Dumb Or Really Klutzy. … needs work

Otto_Forsberg · December 13, 2020, 6:14pm

Well, somebody’s gotta start from somewhere!

Ashley_Bair · December 13, 2020, 7:11pm

Great notes, Otto. I had the 2000 Troplong-Mondot recently, and your assessment is completely spot on.

Robert.A.Jr · December 13, 2020, 7:27pm

Great retrospective. I’ve bought and been drinking quite a few 2000s recently, so this thread resonates. That Chasse Spleen is a great sleeper, wish I had more. My thoughts are very similar on that Magdelaine. I’m sitting on over a case, and have high expectations, but the last three bottles I’ve had this past year showed similarly. I’ve concluded Magdelaine in years like 2000, really do need a lot more time than 20 years. The 1980s vintages are drinking fantastically well with this estate, my last a stunning 1982 just 2 weeks ago. I missed on the Pichon Baron, my kind of wine for sure.

Interesting comments on the integration of the modern trappings. Do you think subsequent years where perhaps warmer climates, more modern heavy-handed making, and of course the critics and points’ chasing, will resolve the same way? I do not, but I’m often wrong as well! Pape Clement and Troplong seem to have become more Franken-wines as the decade progressed.

I still have another 2000 Pichon Baron for us

Bring it Thursday night!

Jayson_Cohen · December 13, 2020, 8:45pm

FIFY.

I have no skin in the rest of the discussion.

Robert.A.Jr · December 13, 2020, 8:51pm

F*ck. I had to google that. And you’re not even ‘Murican.

Jayson_Cohen · December 13, 2020, 8:53pm

Yes! See Post 70 above.

Craig_G · December 13, 2020, 9:11pm

It’s a recursive backronym for “DORKs often reply knowledgeably.” For example:

“These nit-pickers may be long-winded and annoying, but DORK.”

Ramon_C · December 31, 2022, 4:02pm

2000 Baron de Château Pichon-Longueville or simply, Pichon Baron

Cornucopia of scorched gravel, floral, fruit, tobacco and fresh bread on the bouquet.
High-pitched lip-smacking red fruit acidity. Tannic structure still in place. 4-hours in the decanter and strutted out glimpses of future Pauillac glory. Will wait 7 years to dip into rest of the stash.

Pat_Martin · January 1, 2023, 12:38am

Thanks, Ramon. Sounds promising but needing to turn 30 before truly shining.

That’s my general impression of most top 2000 Bordeaux.

Brian_G_r_a_f_s_t_r_o_m · January 1, 2023, 10:28pm

Buy the 1994 Caves São João Cabernet Sauvignon Quinta do Poço do Lobo if you ever come across it. The '95 was good, too, but I bet the '94 is more up your alley. Plus, it gets bonus points for being an unusual wine.