TN: 2015 Marcel Juge Cornas (France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Cornas)

Robert.A.Jr · January 28, 2018, 10:48am

The start of the damn hype machine:

Newman!!! Or is it, Fu-man!?

Craig_G · January 28, 2018, 11:36am

Um… yeah. I refer you to post #5 in that thread.

Robert.A.Jr · January 28, 2018, 1:48pm

Post 2 better: anti-hype!

Matthew_King · January 28, 2018, 4:44pm

Jayson Cohen:

Matthew King:

A. So:

ITT: guy stirs up a crock of bullshit because he’s upset other people don’t agree with his opinion on what wine is best.

Everyone has the right to his/her opinion. With all respect, I think you encourage the poster’s contrarian instrincts by letting him know he gets under your skin.

Many have a shtick that rankles — be it contrarian impulse posts or assigning false positive 93 ratings to every wine.

Best to ignore in each case IMO. But who am I to give advice on this board?

I don’t think it’s the opinions that are the issue. It’s the insulting tone and the strong flavor of sanctimony and condescension, centered around a perceived notion of mal intent. Charlie didn’t invite any of that.

Decorum and respect work wonders.

I agree with you 100%.

My only point is that posters who have a history of seeking to provoke and self-aggrandize by posting inflammatory comments are only encouraged by outraged responses that let them know they have got under people”s skins.

Charlie has been to this dance before with the responder, as I’ve discussed with him.

Just my two cents … sometimes it’s best to let stuff go if it is part of a pattern of behavior, however annoying. Don’t give them further oxygen by engaging.

Jayson_Cohen · January 28, 2018, 5:03pm

Matthew King:

Jayson Cohen:

Matthew King:

Everyone has the right to his/her opinion. With all respect, I think you encourage the poster’s contrarian instrincts by letting him know he gets under your skin.

Many have a shtick that rankles — be it contrarian impulse posts or assigning false positive 93 ratings to every wine.

Best to ignore in each case IMO. But who am I to give advice on this board?

I don’t think it’s the opinions that are the issue. It’s the insulting tone and the strong flavor of sanctimony and condescension, centered around a perceived notion of mal intent. Charlie didn’t invite any of that.

Decorum and respect work wonders.

I agree with you 100%.

My only point is that posters who have a history of seeking to provoke and self-aggrandize by posting inflammatory comments are only encouraged by outraged responses that let them know they have got under people”s skins.

Charlie has been to this dance before with the responder, as I’ve discussed with him.

Just my two cents … sometimes it’s best to let stuff go if it is part of a pattern of behavior, however annoying. Don’t give them further oxygen by engaging.

Nah. That’s not it. I always had a problem biting my tongue outside of marriage (learned the hard way) and work. You are right of course.

Nick_Gangas · January 28, 2018, 5:21pm

I’ve had Juge and thought it was very good. Not Allemand to me. Still I understand that different people react to different wines individually. what’s the problem with that ? I celebrate Charlie and Tylers Jugelove.

Charles_Zedlewski · January 28, 2018, 5:46pm

+1 on all these points. BTW at least last year the trick to drinking Juge for me was to frequent the hipster somm restaurants in NYC. Not sure if that trick will work again this year but who knows. Amusingly I tried a couple of well regarded wine shops when I was in Paris and no one had even heard of Juge.

CFu · January 28, 2018, 6:26pm

I think both Tyler and I like Allemand Reynard more but it costs 3-4x the price of Juge on release.

P_ONeill · February 28, 2018, 5:37am

The Managing Director and I decided to shake off a hangover by going to Gramercy Tavern for lunch on Sunday and were perked up considerably by the sight of 2015 Juge on the list. It’s hard to say what constitutes a “fair” price for something hyped to the nines by the west coast collective but at significantly below retail it seemed worth a roll.

Charlie’s note above is dead on. This is entirely more reticent than the 2014, which I drank about nine months ago and which was almost flashy in comparison. The '15 is much stricter. There are notes of violets and blue and black fruits on the nose, but they need a bit of coaxing and the palate is a wall of structure and tannin, acidity and granite. Brilliantly made of course, but more impressive than pleasurable right now (no surprise there).

The somm told me that they were allocated a case and she thought they had about nine bottles left so if you’re in NY and this is your thing, you know where to go. I’m very happy to have tried it but I don’t see this as worth the “last vintage” premium that it currently commands in the retail market (the price at the restaurant was at least 30% lower than retail per wine searcher, which tells its own story I suspect).

Jayson_Cohen · February 28, 2018, 5:52am

What you are talking about is not what I would call the “retail” price. The fair retail price range I saw was $68.99-$99.99, with the top end starting to get into a premium margin. The price you will find on WS now is gouging in my book, plain and simple.

It isn’t a price the market will bear. It’s a price that guarantees only a price-insensitive person will pay.

jbray23 · February 28, 2018, 6:13am

When I first purchased Juge I was able to get a case + 1 mag. @$44…Last year was 6 bottles @$59 and now this year, my allocation is 2 bottles @$129.

I get it, Juge is now rare and seemingly if rumors are true this is the last vintage so double whammy. Oh well, I’ll never have to pay these prices again.

Marcus_Goodfellow · February 28, 2018, 6:34am

I feel the same way about Clape…

…and Robert Michel, where is the Robert Michel hype? Lovely wines…

Dennis_Atick · February 28, 2018, 11:21am

Is this a good price?

Ramon_C · February 28, 2018, 12:05pm

… or for $150 for a bottle you can slum it up at unheralded Eleven Madison Park, dine at the bar, while enduring their restaurant dishes.

Robert.A.Jr · February 28, 2018, 1:08pm

I’d be tempted to sell my maggies at that price, but then again, I’d just dump it back into wine.

Stoopid pricing, really stoopid. Already at Verset pricing, but for new releases!

Robert_M_yers · February 28, 2018, 2:53pm

P. ONeill:

The Managing Director and I decided to shake off a hangover by going to Gramercy Tavern for lunch on Sunday and were perked up considerably by the sight of 2015 Juge on the list. It’s hard to say what constitutes a “fair” price for something hyped to the nines by the west coast collective but at significantly below retail it seemed worth a roll.

Charlie’s note above is dead on. This is entirely more reticent than the 2014, which I drank about nine months ago and which was almost flashy in comparison. The '15 is much stricter. There are notes of violets and blue and black fruits on the nose, but they need a bit of coaxing and the palate is a wall of structure and tannin, acidity and granite. Brilliantly made of course, but more impressive than pleasurable right now (no surprise there).

The somm told me that they were allocated a case and she thought they had about nine bottles left so if you’re in NY and this is your thing, you know where to go. I’m very happy to have tried it but I don’t see this as worth the “last vintage” premium that it currently commands in the retail market (the price at the restaurant was at least 30% lower than retail per wine searcher, which tells its own story I suspect).

Appreciate the level perspective on the wine. I was beginning to think it was a thousand dollar wine.

CFu · February 28, 2018, 3:20pm

185 now

CFu · February 28, 2018, 3:25pm

Unless you’re Mark Cuban buying Juge on winebid last week!

m_ristev · February 28, 2018, 3:35pm

surprised the 14 is going for such a premium. it was on the shelf at astor for about $60. they seemed to have quite a few before i told to a friend to buy them out

Tony_C · February 28, 2018, 3:48pm

Garnet wines in NYC sold out of the 2015 for $559