TN: 2012 Domaine G. Roumier / Christophe Roumier Chambolle-Musigny

  • 2012 Domaine G. Roumier / Christophe Roumier Chambolle-Musigny - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Chambolle-Musigny (9/23/2014)
    Immediately giving and expressive with an aroma of wild cherry, violets, pommegranite and rose petals. The fruit is ripe, lush and creamy in the mouth and there is good underlying minerality. It is quintessential young Chambolle… cool, perfumed, structured and detailed. There’s just a hint of meat and a little extractive bitterness to the finish (not a fault in my book as it adds real freshness to the wine).

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Thanks,for the note.
can not wait for my delivery in October.
what you think in compare to 2010(acidity,richness)?

Lovely wine annually, a personal favorite. But at $100+ tariff these days I’m sadly on the sidelines :frowning:

Thanks for the note. No doubt a lovely wine. The last time I looked this up a couple of weeks ago the cheapest bottle for the 2012 was $170, so enjoying your note is as far as I’ll go. I just can’t swallow villages wines above $100 (and I’m sure there’s someone out there saying that happened once they hit $50-60). The best villages level wine I’ve ever had from any producer I scored a 92. I’ve drawn the line. I think that’s a luxury goods price and while I sometimes splurge to get something like that that’s going to be a classic someday, I’m skeptical that I’m going to find it at this level.

Sorry for the mini - rant on your thread, Jeremy. I do appreciate the note and I’m a fan of Roumier.

Thanks for the note. As always, your words are Pavlov’s bell for me.

As for the prices. I paid circa $80 for this wine. About the same for his MSD 1er! Which is a bit of a joke as I think his MSD 1er is knock your socks off good in any given vintage. I paid $180 for his Charmes Chambertain just because the label says “Jean-Pierre Mathieu”. Another joke in my opinion as that is a “reasonable” price for a GC whereas $80 for a Villages is painful. But bearable considering the quality. And still cheaper than Rousseau in my neck of the woods. Bachelet prices are more or less in line with Roumier’s. Both are almost impossible to find. Whereas Rousseau’s
Wines can be found with relative ease…just at $100+ for the Villages. Maybe the price had something to do with the availability!

As for the US prices I am speechless. That just sucks. The bottles sell for those prices on the secondary market here in CH.

Barthod is a great alternative. Her Villges sells for $50ish here, are the US prices similarly reasonable? I picked up a few of her 2010 1er’s for $80 (and mags for $190). Not sure where her 2012 prices will land.

Jeremy, do you know what’s in the villages wine, at this point?

It evolved from including the Cras (until '91-92) to including the Combottes…but now…is there any 1er cru…left in it? or just terrific lieux dit villages?

Hi Paul,

I think Barthod’s 2010 1ers sold in the US and Canada for about $110-$125.

In response to the discussion generally (and in specific to Mugnier), all “village” wines are not created equal. Mugnier’s Chambolle gets about 40% of its content from a 1er Cru vineyard (Les Plantes), which he has decided to blend into his village bottling. So yes, it would be a great deal if it sold at a price equal to other true village wines, but the market has pushed it up into 1er Cru territory…or higher. It is up to each buyer to decide if it is worth it to him/her.

Cheers,
Blair

Hi Jeremy,

Nice note - thanks!!! [cheers.gif]

Cheers,
Blair

from Allen Meadows; 2012 CM G.Roumier

contains some premier cru juice from Fuées

Thanks. I wonder if Roumier owns any Fuees? and what else is in the villages?

maybe a mistake?But is also the text for CM 2010,2011…

Not a mistake, Roumier has 5 cuvées of his CM he vinifies separately and then blends. Fuées is one of them. The cuvées not up to snuff can be added to the Bourgogne. Apparently his Fuées is too small to be its own separate bottling (not representative of the parcel). I will see him in Nov and I will ask for the specifics. In the mean time maybe Jeremy can fill in any gaps or mend any mistakes in my description.

Bathod’s Fuées is crazy good. If you can buy it for $120 I would buy that everyday over the Roumier CM @ $170. Her Les Cras is also extremely good and a nice counter point to the Fuées.

Thanks for the overview,
bought les Cras Barthod 2007(last 2 bottles) and 2006 this year from wenger [cheers.gif]

Well done! I have 2005’s and 2008’s. I don’t see her Les Cras very frequently here in CH. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places!

Before the Les Cras holdings were bottled separately…the Roumier had lots of 1er cru juice in it…and then even with the Combettes, a good deal of it.

Love the Roumier Les Cras…had the '93 recently…and it stole “the show.”

Roman, this 2012 is a little more opulent and creamy compared with the 2010, I think it is more like the 09 in style.

With regards to price this is an expensive village wine priced just under Ghislaine Barthod’s 1er Cru wines in our market. Given I only get allocated a mere couple of bottles of each wine these days I graciously accept my allocation each year from both producers as I love the wines from top to bottom from both.

Stuart, as mentioned above I believe there is Fuées juice in the village Chambolle. Some of the older wines with Cras in them were terrific. A 1978 I had last year was possibly the best village wine I have ever had.

Best Regards
Jeremy

Not surprised the 1978 was excellent, Roumier is much better with time even at this level.

Thanks Jeremy.
Price here was never so high but many lower than in other markets and so ist this every year really a good wine for me.
Had never a dissapointment with this wine.(same with VR Mugneret-Gibourg). [cheers.gif]
(data points(Swiss franc) only to see,all this “extreme” higher prices comes not really from the producer)
2005 was 63 sfr./ 2012 is today 69 sfr.
2006-2011 was 52-65 sfr.
GC A.Rousseau was 2010/2011 78 sfr.

Your Rousseau source is better than mine. I need to shop in Swiss Germany more frequently.

Jeremy’s point about allocation is a salient one. Prices are high but I don’t think anyone is putting these wines away by the case these days. I had no problem to buy a case of Roumier’s CM in 2008 and, from memory, I paid roughly the 2012 price. My allocation was 3 bottles in 2012.

Importantly these wines not only last but they do improve with age. While I am sure plenty of the recent demand (and subsequent price hikes) is related to the luxury brand phenomenon (showboating, tag hag, etc) a few of us will be happy to have the small allocation of these bottles in our cellar in 10, 15 or 20 years.

Happier than if we had the same amount of Barthod’s 1er’s? That’s subjective. In my opinion one doesn’t replace the other. Each is a unique expression of PN/CM.

  • 2009 vintage was this wine physically in the shop,today not more.
    Motto was “the early bird catches the worm”.