TN: 2009 Cal Cabs so bad, they move me to doggerel

[Peter_C]

@Merrill Lindquist

Looks like I missed all the fun.

I mis-read Mr. Zylberberg’s name as it is a similar one to one of my customers who posts here. I held my breath as I went down through the scores, still thinking it was my customer’s notes. Relieved that my wine was not included, I got out fast!

Larry?

[David_Bu3ker]

John Morris,

If David brandishes a knife and starts yelling reixet, reixet, reixet start running!

[Merrill_Lindquist]

@Peter C.

@Merrill Lindquist

Looks like I missed all the fun.

I mis-read Mr. Zylberberg’s name as it is a similar one to one of my customers who posts here. I held my breath as I went down through the scores, still thinking it was my customer’s notes. Relieved that my wine was not included, I got out fast!

Larry?

Are you asking if the customer I had in mind is named Larry? If so, no. Otherwise, rephrase the question and I’ll try to answer.

[Markus_S]

@D. Zylberberg

A tasting was held with John Morris last night
The wines, shall we say, were not quite a delight:

You deserve to drink alone:

Arhh, cursed wine of mine,
alone to drink
in the eternity of time!!!

[Markus_S]

@John Morris

@David M. Bueker

One wine, two wines, 10 wines blind
Crap Cabernet is all he finds

He speaks in rhyme
Of wines he hates

For Texier he waits…he waits.

We couldn’t figure out a way to slip a Texier here – or to get David to suspect we had.

John, John, why do you humor him so? Is there a secret pleasure you get from seeing him diss so many wines?

[John_Morris]

My wife and I tasted back through the leftovers – about a quarter bottle each of everything but the Chappellet and Frank Family (our two favorites last night) – that had been in the refrigerator overnight.

They were all a bit better for being cooler, but none of them changed much, which is discouraging. I’d expected at least some of these would have shown better on day two.

On retasting the Midsummer Cellars (her #8 last night, my #6), my wife, who is Turkish, said “We have a term for this in Turkish – wine that kills dogs.”

That’s almost worthy of DZ.

[John_Morris]

@Markus S

John, John, why do you humor him so? Is there a secret pleasure you get from seeing him diss so many wines?

Because he’s a likeable guy in person.

Really!

[Markus_S]

@John Morris

… – wine that kills dogs."

Now that’s funny!

[Mike_Evans]

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[Dav1dZ]

@Markus S

@John Morris

@David M. Bueker

One wine, two wines, 10 wines blind
Crap Cabernet is all he finds

He speaks in rhyme
Of wines he hates

For Texier he waits…he waits.

We couldn’t figure out a way to slip a Texier here – or to get David to suspect we had.

John, John, why do you humor him so? Is there a secret pleasure you get from seeing him diss so many wines?

What’s wrong with dissing so many wines? Most wines are mediocre. Good wine is so good, but most wine isn’t good. There’s this odd antipathy towards critiques - like I’m short selling or betting don’t pass.

[Chris_Seiber]

David, you know the hipster who tells everyone around him, loudly and at every opportunity, that all the music they’ve ever heard of sucks, and only unsophisticated idiots could possibly like it, and he is one of the select few who appreciate the small amount out there that is great, which inevitably is some ultra-obscure music in some style that very few people would get.

“Alabama Shakes is just fast food to make the sheep feel like they can access real music. Sure, some of their early recording you can find on Vimeo had some soul, but the new big label album is a total sellout. These days, I’m grooving to some B sides from an early indie label recording by Psapp. Oh, you haven’t heard of them?”

And I’m not saying that guy is wrong, or that there necessarily is even right or wrong when it comes to music, or that he shouldn’t listen to whatever he likes, but you can see how people who just love music and want to relax, enjoy it and share it can get tired of that guy hectoring them about how lame all the music they listen to is, and can get tired of that guy acting like they are so far beneath him in their tastes and discrimination.

There’s no reason you should care what I think, but since you asked why you get the reactions you do, I’m volunteering some perspective, so take it or leave it. You’re obviously a smart and interesting guy who is skilled with words, and you could probably engage people as easily as turn them off if you wanted, without compromising on your views.

[Adam_Buckman]

Thank you one and all for visiting my humble blog site – http://tvhowl.com/ – to read the interview I conducted – here http://tvhowl.com/in-his-own-words-comedian-jeffrey-ross-on-the-bea-arthur-joke-that-made-his-career/ – with comedian Jeffrey Ross about his now-infamous quip about Bea Arthur at a legendary Friars Club roast.

As for your debate here, about the appropriateness of applying his strictly-for-adults words to a whimsical description of wines, I don’t know the lay of the land around here enough to comment. I will say this, though: To me, the words are inappropriate just about everywhere – an exception being a gathering of comedians at an event such as a Friars roast.

The debate reminds me of something an editor once said to me when I asked him if a certain questionable phrase was appropriate for including in a column I was writing for the newspaper I once worked for. And he said (and I’m paraphrasing here), If you have to ask, then you already know the answer, which is no.

On the other hand, I had no problem reproducing the uncensored Jeffrey Ross remark in the piece I posted on my blog site back in 2009. And I have received no complaints about it since, though thousands of people have read it.

Thank you for reading, and best to all of you.

Adam Buckman, New York

[W_Leonard]

^ Best way to end a thread ever! THANK YOU

[ericleehall]

I thought this was brilliant.

[Joe_B]

I’m just glad I don’t own any of these wines.

I’m offended cuz I did not have the chance to read the original tasting notes.

[Jim_Karegeannes]

@Richard Malloy

Btw, as a Greek I take offense to that whole “hollow economy” thing. Just sayin.

Mallory? really?

[Richard_Malloy]

@Jim Karegeannes

@Richard Malloy

Btw, as a Greek I take offense to that whole “hollow economy” thing. Just sayin.

Mallory? really?

Asked and answered:

@Richard Malloy

@Chris Seiber

I reject someone named Richard Malloy claiming to be Greek. Now, if Nicos Neocleous wants be offended, I’ll listen.

I was adopted! My birthname is Ντόγκας Τσιουτσιούπουλου

But you can call me DogAss ChirpChirpPenis.

[bob_poirier]

@Chris Seiber

David, you know the hipster who tells everyone around him, loudly and at every opportunity, that all the music they’ve ever heard of sucks, and only unsophisticated idiots could possibly like it, and he is one of the select few who appreciate the small amount out there that is great, which inevitably is some ultra-obscure music in some style that very few people would get.

“Alabama Shakes is just fast food to make the sheep feel like they can access real music. Sure, some of their early recording you can find on Vimeo had some soul, but the new big label album is a total sellout. These days, I’m grooving to some B sides from an early indie label recording by Psapp. Oh, you haven’t heard of them?”

And I’m not saying that guy is wrong, or that there necessarily is even right or wrong when it comes to music, or that he shouldn’t listen to whatever he likes, but you can see how people who just love music and want to relax, enjoy it and share it can get tired of that guy hectoring them about how lame all the music they listen to is, and can get tired of that guy acting like they are so far beneath him in their tastes and discrimination.

There’s no reason you should care what I think, but since you asked why you get the reactions you do, I’m volunteering some perspective, so take it or leave it. You’re obviously a smart and interesting guy who is skilled with words, and you could probably engage people as easily as turn them off if you wanted, without compromising on your views.

Well said

[Mike_Evans]

@Frank Murray III

David, why the salty language concerning the Caymus wine? I respect that this is an open forum of expression but the comment is offensive to me, and perhaps others. You can make a point without being offensive.

But if he just called it “shitty”, it would have been just fine. Or is that only OK if the term is used sarcastically as a continuation of a juvenile meme?

[M_Dildine]

@Mike Evans

@Frank Murray III

David, why the salty language concerning the Caymus wine? I respect that this is an open forum of expression but the comment is offensive to me, and perhaps others. You can make a point without being offensive.

But if he just called it “shitty”, it would have been just fine. Or is that only OK if the term is used sarcastically as a continuation of a juvenile meme?

Mike, I really don’t think we need to deconstruct this. I think Frank’s point was clear enough.