Time to gingerly start drinking again...Copain Hacienda Secoya 2007

I figured pinot would sit ok after a week and a half of stomach infection…
Well this thing had a huge, pure berry nose. Like cherry essense flowing out of the glass. This must be, however, “the new style” everyone raves about. The palate, while structured, and clearly well made, is a shadow of the nose. This needed a super charge or something for me to love it. glad I stopped buying the pinots after this. Get some Liotta.

Yeah…trouser chili is a bitch.

stepping it up tonight…north slope and maybach most likely. Screw my stomach, its been enough of a bitch.

If you are gonna be a bear…be a grizzly.

Nothing worse than health making you take a break from vino. Get well and then drink well!!!

HD,

I tasted this wine from barrel, just before bottling and just after bottling.
The fruit will be there given time in bottle.
You just drank it 1-4 years too soon…

TTT

Thanks Jared. Paul, there will be two left in 4 years. We will see.

I agree with Paul, be patient and in a couple years you’ll laugh at this post.

I completely agree but in Humberto’s case I’m not so sure since, if I’m not mistaken, he prefers his pinot in a KB style and these are never going to deliver that profile.

I think both Wells and Michael would have a good laugh if they heard that their wines were being compared. I own lots of both, which is why I have both in my cellar, to cover the pinot spectrum.

FWIW, I have yet to open my 2006 Copain pinots, let alone the 2007s. I am going to let them age, too.

I’m with you FM!
Actually the first PN that Wells made in his “New Style” was the 2003 Copain “James Atwood” Cuvee.
Don’t know if the low octane achieved was by accident or necessity. Wells?

It has aged and improved QUITE well! [worship.gif] [worship.gif]

TTT

Drinking right now Berto . . . [neener.gif]

Will report findings later . . .

Drank some badass stuff prior though . . .

I haven’t even opened my 2004’s yet, except one En Bas. It was excellent, but has miles to go IMO.

Thanks for the note. Glad you are feeling better. I don’t think I have tried any of the 07s but the 06s I have tried (Monument excluded) reminded me of burgs. As with other top made AV pinots, I agree with others that it won’t reveal itself for 5-10 years IMO.

But it may never be in your preferred style … although most of us go through at least small preference shifts over a 10 year period.

Jason

Frank, you have a stylistic shift awaiting you, which I am sure you understand (assuming you are still buying Copain post-2004). Just curious, why you still holding the older wines?

I was wondering the same thing… that’s a lot of vintages to be buying without having tasted.

FWIW I think I will like this a lot better with some time. I dont scoff at burgs and softer, more complex wines, but I prefer them bigger when I buy them [training.gif]
Im just glad to be able to drink wine again [truce.gif]

My wife and I recently tasted a few of the 2007 Copain Pinots at the winery. They just started a “Library Tasting” program a few weeks ago for Pinot and Syrah. It’s a scheduled tasting on Saturdays/Fridays and requires an appointment. Juliane hosted us and poured four 2007’s: Tous Ensembles, Baker Ranch, Hacienda Secoya and Monument Tree. Not really a library tasting, but rather a horizontal of recent releases. Regardless, a cool way to check out their new wines and compare them side-by-side. I didn’t take notes, since my wife and I wanted to kick back and enjoy. My impressions are from memory.

To the Hacienda Secoya: of the three SVD pinots, the Secoya showed concentrated red fruit (raspberry, cherry), both on the nose and palate. Although still quite elegant and subtle, the Secoya but seemed to be hiding that little something extra. The Baker Ranch showed a more interesting nose (floral, darker fruits), and the Monument Tree a more structured and complex palate (red fruit, spice). Although on this day the Secoya played Jan Brady, as it matures it may surpass the Baker and match the Monument Tree. However, all three SVD’s were outstanding!

Each of the three SVD Pinots exemplified the elegant, “new” style that Wells strives for. For those who prefer a bigger, more full bodied pinot, you should look elsewhere.

I definitely recommend this tasting-and the four pinots tasted. After we finished, Juliane was kind enough to pour us some extra Monument Tree and Baker Ranch to sip with our picnic lunches while enjoying the few from the tables on the lawn. Thanks Juliane!

Simply because based on tasting the Kiser En Bas I thought it still would improve with more cellar time. I realize they made a style change starting with the 2006 Pinots, but I think the 2004’s (I also have a couple of the En Haut) are age-worthy as well. I just joined their list early this year, so 2007 was the first vintage I bought in much quantity. I bought some of the 2004 and 2006 Kisers at retail, but only a few, and I have tons of other wine to drink, so why not wait? But it sounds like you’re holding onto your 2006’s and 2007’s for a while also. So was the reason for your question that you disagree that the 2004’s will continue to evolve positively?

One thing I didn’t mention is that in addition to the 04 En Bas, I’ve also had the 2007 Tous Ensemble (bought at retail), and thought it was tasty, so that does give me one more data point on their wines. On the style change, it’s actually what made me decide to go ahead and join their mailing list, as it sounds like it puts them in the same spectrum as my favorite producers, such as Anthill, Rhys, Rivers-Marie, McHenry, et al. I think I’ll like the newer SVD Pinots (I bought mostly the two Kisers) even better than the 2004 I tried. Since I’ll have more of the 2007’s I may even pop one early. [basic-smile.gif]