Thermovinification

In a severe need for some Beaujolais I dragged myself to a restaurant wholesaler in the neighborhood.

Slim Beaujolais pickings there strangely enough. (They have a massive selection ranging from 4 euro bottles to grand cru Bordeaux) No Cru Beaujolais of note but I found discounted 2023 Domaine de Bussy. A Google search showed that the 2020 had a heart and 2 out of 3 stars from hachette so I bought a case.

It does hit the spot, uncomplicated, fresh and fruity. No nasty chemical tastes. No regrets for 8,50 euro


On the back label it states they use thermovinification. As I understand it this practice entails heating the must prior to fermentation to obtain a more fruit forward profile.

Am a bit confused though as I also understand some producers harvest at night to keep the must cool to preserve flavor.

How common is thermovinification? Is it unique to Beaujolais? Is it frowned upon by wine purists?
I appreciate the producer for disclosure


If it explodes the skin cell walls, does that defeat carbonic maceration?

Yes

So kind of an technological substitute for carbonic maceration? Seems weird when there’s a well-established way to make fruity Beaujolais.

Are they required to state that they use thermovinification on the label? I’m surprised they’d want to tout that.

Edit: Flash Detente is a variation of Thermovinification, specific to the vacuum-cooling process.

Not sure if that is being used on this particular wine, they could just be heating the must before fermentation to achieve a similar result.

:man_shrugging:

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This particular producer is not very large, 3,5 ha according to the information on the bottle.

Thermovinification may be a stylistic choice for them, hence the mention on the label?

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Some great stuff here
'Overstuffed' wines analysed | Jancis Robinson

From Elaine Chukan Brown:

"In Bordeaux actually I was able to spend time speaking with producers who use flash dĂ©tente or another form of thermovinification. There is some use of these methods in California as well but producers do what they can to avoid any conversation about them and from what I can tell they are used only by rather large-scale producers. I think that is or at least used to be true in Bordeaux as well – that those techniques tended to correlate with larger-volume producers, or the co-ops who have an obligation to make whatever fruit they get from their growers work for wine. My experience with flash dĂ©tente and thermovinification more generally is that they are actually used to correct issues around under- or uneven ripeness, and around mould or mildew. There is flash dĂ©tente and then there is also a kind of grape jacuzzi type process where the fruit is soaked in warm juice. I can’t think of what the warm-juice method is actually called – and it has a different name in Bordeaux than in English. [For a discussion of methods and terminology in Beaujolais, see Beaujolais mapped and sipped – JH]

My understanding is that the warm-juice method works well for situations where fruit comes in with adequate sugars but something like underripe skins where the tannin would end up too hard and the hardness of the skins would lead to underripe flavours, perhaps in a cold year, for example. By essentially soaking the fruit immediately after harvest in a warm bath of juice for around 12 hours or so the skins are softened by the end of the soak. The fruit is then pressed off and fermented as normal. For larger-scale wineries there is equipment available just for this warm-juice method but I have seen smaller-scale wineries do it even just in a drain pan. It helps soften the tannin and shift the flavour a bit as well. It also helps to extract some of the colour from the skins to assist in binding anthocyanin to tannin later (part of how it softens the tannin) and make a darker wine. Underripe grapes otherwise often make lighter wine.

Flash dĂ©tente is a specific technique that requires equipment just for that purpose. It is done at the must stage when grapes have been destemmed and possibly crushed and have not yet started to ferment. The must is quickly heated and then quickly cooled again. The rapid heating and then cooling causes colour release as well as aromatic release from the cells in the grape skins, and it also creates grape vapour. The vapour is sometimes captured and recompressed and added back to the must and sometimes not. If it is not, the juice is thus more concentrated. Sometimes the must is pressed and the juice is fermented like a white wine. Essentially flash dĂ©tente is used for cases where the fruit comes in underripe or with uneven ripeness, again like in a cold year. Part of the trouble with underripe fruit is that the aromatic precursors are sort of locked up in the still-hard grape skin, as is the potential colour. Flash dĂ©tente blasts open the cells and releases these aromatics and the colour thus making them available to the wine. It also helps avoid issues with underripe fruit flavours. Part of the difference between flash dĂ©tente and the grape-bath method comes down to mould or mildew. If you have any fruit rot or mildew issues you would not put them in the bath but could use flash dĂ©tente to ‘dry’ the grapes out, so to speak. In reality the flash dĂ©tente is not drying the grapes as much as changing the composition of the enzymes that occur with mould or mildew so that they are no longer a problem."

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It was common in commercial Beaujolais production.

When I was a student at UCD (late 1990’s), we had a student in our class from a winemaking family in Germany. He did thermovinification as his student fermentation experiment in our class and it was crazy to see instant color before fermentation started. He shared they did it due to low color potential at their site in Germany. He liked it too since they didn’t have to worry about punchdowns or pumpovers. He was very successful with extraction but me thinks his family wines did not command a very high price


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All very interesting responses, thanks!

Summarizing: Warming the grapes leads to more fruit flavor and color extraction.

It does raise the question though; if you are harvesting grapes on a hot day and don’t cool, aren’t you are already using the warm bath method and essentially thermovinifying
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Nope - very big difference in temperatures - and no vacuum pressure.

Cheers

Nope, thermovinifying without vacuum is also an option. See the post by @JulianC above.
What temperatures are used is still a mystery to me.

As Larry indicated, temps for flash are high. About 70C+. Thermovinification historically and currently is not always that hot because it depends on the purpose.

Its most effective use case is for denaturing laccase, the highly destructive oxidative enzyme that can wreak havoc in wines if they are made from fruit with a lot of botrytis.

The other effective use case is making underripe red grapes (especially the Cabernets) more fruity and less green.

Those two cases require temps on the higher end. But the other use case is simply for style purposes. You can make a high color, low tannin red wine. For that you don’t necessarily need such high temps.

Thermovinification has some specific downsides, too. The wines can be very hazy, difficult to filter, and require additional enzymes to help clean them up.

At least in California the only people I know who work with thermovinification are using flash detente. It’s around but not particularly common.

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Thanks, everyone, for a most informative thread!

I didn’t see an answer to my earlier question about why the label for the Beaujolais mentioned in the OP mentioned thermovinification. Since I gather the technique is not uncommon in Bordeaux and Beaujolais, I assume that it’s not required to be mentioned on the label or it would be more familiar. I wonder why that producer advertised it, then?

Maybe to indicate style to the consumer? It’s used to make light, fruity reds but they taste different from the light, fruity reds made by carbonic maceration.

Yeah I have a winemaker friend in Salinas Valley that loved to use the flash for bringing in fruit that wouldn’t ripen well to get rid of the veggie qualities. Makes sense for low price point wines where you have heavy crops in cool coastal climates. Not my thing but seems like a good tool for large wineries who are faced with this more often.

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Since no one but the winemakers here on Berserkers seemed to know what it was, you have to wonder how many consumers would!

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Perhaps this Winery or this importer that that it was a positive thing to state on the label? Sounds geeky?

Good question though.

Interesting thread indeed, thanks all!

Back label of the bottle for full disclosure.

I do think they made a stylistic choice to use this technique.