The Great Durand Cork Remover

The drug is tested for quality (don’t google nitrosamines) so this isn’t really a fair fight.

So many Tools aren’t really tested to the same level of scrutiny, only under consumer reports ect or the guy on YouTube who puts them under a hydraulic press where some modern stuff maybe not unsurprisingly doesn’t even hold up to old stuff.

The question is does your tool need to be overly strong for the job? I appreciate quality feel and craftsmanship so I see the allure in most of the best quality items. Most of us (we me) have to pick and choose where it makes sense though

Well, thank you for poo-pooing on my evening Dr. Knowtoomuch!!

On what do you base this claim? The basic mechanism of the Durand is obvious (a worm and ah so that work together). Reproducing it is hardly nuclear physics. Of course, the knockoffs may be made of crap that falls apart after a few uses, but you have no basis to claim that. Based on testimony above we can say, at least, that the knockoffs work and that they have lasted for a couple of months. That’s all you knew about your Durand when you had had it for a couple of months. If this first bunch turns out to be junk, you can bet, given how little it would cost to make a durable version, that good ones will be made at cheaper prices. Patents wouldn’t be necessary if one couldn’t recreate the idea less expensively.

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My apologies,
If it makes you feel any better my cocktail for 20 years has been the trilogy of metoprolol, ranitidine and losartan. Some of the worst offenders…
At this point I just figure eh, at least I don’t have to worry about my Bacon intake.

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What you are not grasping is that cheap knock off products are made of cheap inferior materials that easily fail. I’ve been selling tools for 30 years. Before that I bought and used tools professionally for 20 years. I’ve witnessed first hand the transformation of the industry from high quality to cheap knock offs of well respected products.

It’s simplistic to think that every widget is equal, just priced differently. The quality of the raw materials makes a huge difference in the quality of the finished product. So does the craftsmanship.

Wine is just fermented grape juice, anyone can do it right?

Anyone can mix flour yeast and water together and bake bread. It’s real simple.

Give me paint, a brush and a canvas. I’ll fill the museums.

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The Durand is made in Taiwan though, right?

I understand the whole point about the original owner sticking to quality before selling or cheaping out. But this is a relatively simple, yet ingenious, thing that was only expensive because it was exclusive. The materials and manufacturing don’t justify the price tag without the patent. That’s why you aren’t buying Smith Co. clothespins.

Edit: I guess my advice is to look for Durand copies that are made in Taiwan, because then you’re likely looking at a private label type deal.

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Not always. Sometimes the excipients (non-active ingredients) differ. For a small percentage of people that difference results in an intolerance.

There can also be quality control differences at different drug manufacturing plants, both brand name and generic. The FDA is not well enough staffed and funded to pick up all the problems before the drugs reach the public.

As to manufacturers of other products, my understanding is that a factory can be contracted to make the “same” device at any number of price points. Quality and consistency are typically related to price. So it wouldn’t surprise me to see a range of prices and qualities of Durand imitators.

Yes, there can be a range of quality, but does it make any difference?

I have several original Leverpull cork removers, but the Rabbit equivalent works just as well and has lasted just as well as my Leverpulls (two of which I’ve had to replace under their warranties when the gears broke).

The Durand is made in the USA.
My knockoff seems very heavy, substantial, and well-made.

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The thing is, if you are in the market for a Durand or a Durand cheap knockoff, you are in the market for a device that will open a bottle of wine that is unlikely to be ’ three dollar squalor’. You have the means to buy a Durand if you choose to. Now, I know that many of you ‘enjoy the chase’ to find a genuine bargain, but sometimes you have to reward the good guy (inventor, developer, whatever). Sometimes it is nice to reward those that deserve rewarding.

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Back in the day I owned a double-helix corkscrew that was flawless with old corks IME. Unfortunately I have no idea what happened to it. But it appears to be available from a company called wineandfoodaccessories.com, so I’ll probably order another one. I was never very skilled with the Ah-So.

I feel like maybe that used to be the case, since there no mention of origin on the website that I could find. Though some retailers list made in USA. Could also be market dependent.

My reference to Taiwan was from this article:

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Or possibly a “better” outcome. There is bioequivalence, bioavailability and/or area under the curve.
Hatch-Waxman act (1984) tells us more than Chinese Durand. When tested we are within 80-125%. I’ll hope for the over side on my “Durand” :joy:

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This. 100%.

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I hope we are all donating to Hedy Lamarr while typing.

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That was good! I had to google that.

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Brian’s point is valid. But it may or may not make a difference.
One of my points of contention with using Ah Sos before the Durand came to be was the thickness of the tines. I botched corks where the tines were too thick. After frustration with the cheapies, I ended up buying the expensive German made one for a more precise and successful instrument. YMMV with the Durand. They may perform as well or better than the original. Longevity is TBD.

Yes, of course. Some knockoffs are junk, others are virtually identical with the originals. The status of these are to be determined. My argument with Brian was that he was determining in advance without evidence.

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Mine says made in Taiwan on the packaging and that was purchased in the US from the Durand store on Amazon. (I assume that means directly from the manufacturer, but who knows.)

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This is why I wouldn’t buy a knockoff before the patent expired. It’s the same reason I don’t steal music and other media, generally speaking.

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