Terry Thiese says this and I say this. Who is right?

[Lyle_Fass]

@jcoley3

I think the next accusation that needs to be made is that Lyle is trying to jack up his post count to be cool on a wine board…

Jim

[Lyle_Fass]

@jcoley3

I think the next accusation that needs to be made is that Lyle is trying to jack up his post count to be cool on a wine board…

.

[jcoley3]

On a side note, I walked over to my Burgundy section and found several producers that weren’t in the U.S. years ago who are highly regarded now by various critics.

[Lyle_Fass]

Jim,

They are worthless garbage because they are not brought in by Kacher, Lynch, Haas, Wasserman or Rosenthal.

[NickC]

@Lyle Fass

@NickC

but really guys you can hit the edit button and add thoughts to your post rather than daisy chain 4 posts back to back … makes things hard to read.

It’s really of no concern to me if it is easy or hard to read.

well if you have no interest in making the board enjoyable for those reading, why expect a good reaction to anything you post?

[C_0_R_E_Y_M]

@Lyle Fass

Corey,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That was general “you” which is very evident from the post.

Persecution complex. No, but when someone calls me self-righteous and indigent like you did, I will stand up for myself. Call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day, you name-called and I defended myself. You succumbed to name calling, my friend.

Indignant, not indigent. I said nothing about your financial condition. Indignant means “feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment.” Are you disputing that characterization of your tone in this thread?

And no, the general “you” was not clearly evident, since you addressed your post to me by name.

[Alan_Rath]

@Matcohen

Alan Rath
“Lyle thinks Terry actually knows or cares that he exists.”

Well Lyle was one of if not his largest customers in New York for many years so yes - I think that Terry knows who Lyle is. If you’re going to be snarky - at least be snarky and smart.

History for 500, Alex: I know who Lyle is, and his path here. I keep waiting for him to learn not to shit where he eats, thankfully I’m a patient guy.

[Lyle_Fass]

Self interest (picture of parrot).

[Lyle_Fass]

@Corey Miller

@Lyle Fass

Corey,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That was general “you” which is very evident from the post.

Persecution complex. No, but when someone calls me self-righteous and indigent like you did, I will stand up for myself. Call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day, you name-called and I defended myself. You succumbed to name calling, my friend.

Are you disputing that characterization of your tone in this thread?

Yes.

[Lyle_Fass]

@Corey Miller

@Lyle Fass

Corey,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That was general “you” which is very evident from the post.

Persecution complex. No, but when someone calls me self-righteous and indigent like you did, I will stand up for myself. Call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day, you name-called and I defended myself. You succumbed to name calling, my friend.

Indignant, not indigent. I said nothing about your financial condition. Indignant means “feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment.” Are you disputing that characterization of your tone in this thread?

And no, the general “you” was not clearly evident, since you addressed your post to me by name.

You stooped to a lower level by name calling. End of story. I defended myself. If you can discuss this without name calling I am game.

[Lyle_Fass]

@NickC

@Lyle Fass

@NickC

but really guys you can hit the edit button and add thoughts to your post rather than daisy chain 4 posts back to back … makes things hard to read.

It’s really of no concern to me if it is easy or hard to read.

well if you have no interest in making the board enjoyable for those reading, why expect a good reaction to anything you post?

Sorry I am not making the board enjoyable for you to read by my posting style. I really am. Now, react.

[Alan_Rath]

[C_0_R_E_Y_M]

@Lyle Fass

@Corey Miller

@Lyle Fass

Corey,

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That was general “you” which is very evident from the post.

Persecution complex. No, but when someone calls me self-righteous and indigent like you did, I will stand up for myself. Call it whatever you want, but at the end of the day, you name-called and I defended myself. You succumbed to name calling, my friend.

Are you disputing that characterization of your tone in this thread?

Yes.

Well, which part of "indignant’ are you disputing? Are you saying that you haven’t showed any annoyance at Thiese’s comments, or that Thiese’s comments were fair?

[David_Bu3ker]

Can you people please learn to spell Theise for goodness sake!

[Alan_Rath]

@David M. Bueker

Can you people please learn to spell Theise for goodness sake!

Are you saying Lyle spelled Terry’s name wrong in his OP title? Hilarious.

[Mike_Grammer]

@Lyle Fass

And also Corey, I took TT’s statement as a direct shot at me, a competitor. I did not draw the first sword.

You know, I hope, Lyle, that I have quite enjoyed in the past sharing posts with you and the one time we were able to meet in person, also a pleasure.

I have followed at least the first part of the thread with interest up to this statement. I think, when I read Terry’s quote, that yes, it could be seen as a shot, but I think it may be somewhat of a long-distance without-telescopic sights-and-Olympic-caliber-shooter shot. Is there no room for an interpretation that what he’s stating is that no great producer can exist/be successful without having a U.S. importer (not specifying identity of importer)? I admit to being able to see and concede that maybe it doesn’t, and that he is saying that anyone who is new at importing will find only barren ground and, in that case, I would probably consider that potentially on the myopic side of things. I only ask whether alternate interpretations might be admissible.

To the general point, I think I can safely believe that yes, there are very likely to be fine producers yet to be born, yet to be raised, yet to be created, who will be able to make phenomenal wine that can be discovered. So I do prefer your statement, I think.

Exhibit 1----Ray Walker and Maison Ilan.

With much respect!

Mike

[DougS]

@David M. Bueker

There’s nothing in this thread that is not civil. To act outraged about the “tone” is just to perpetuate a falsehood.

We’ve all been in threads and on board where things got out of control. This is not even close to that - not at all.

absolutely correct

[Lyle_Fass]

The funny thing is Cory, we would surely get along in person. Also you Allan. Even me and bueker get a long IRL. These boards are like people trapped elevators. There is no exit. Very Becket like this thread has gotten. Cory I object to name calling. Whether it is right or wrong is of no consequence to me. Name calling is what I object to.

[Lyle_Fass]

Yes, every post is irrelevant b/c I spelled Teri’s name wrong. Especially this one.

[C_0_R_E_Y_M]

@Mike Grammer

@Lyle Fass

And also Corey, I took TT’s statement as a direct shot at me, a competitor. I did not draw the first sword.

You know, I hope, Lyle, that I have quite enjoyed in the past sharing posts with you and the one time we were able to meet in person, also a pleasure.

I have followed at least the first part of the thread with interest up to this statement. I think, when I read Terry’s quote, that yes, it could be seen as a shot, but I think it may be somewhat of a long-distance without-telescopic sights-and-Olympic-caliber-shooter shot. Is there no room for an interpretation that what he’s stating is that no great producer can exist/be successful without having a U.S. importer (not specifying identity of importer)? I admit to being able to see and concede that maybe it doesn’t, and that he is saying that anyone who is new at importing will find only barren ground and, in that case, I would probably consider that potentially on the myopic side of things. I only ask whether alternate interpretations might be admissible.

To the general point, I think I can safely believe that yes, there are very likely to be fine producers yet to be born, yet to be raised, yet to be created, who will be able to make phenomenal wine that can be discovered. So I do prefer your statement, I think.

Exhibit 1----Ray Walker and Maison Ilan.

With much respect!

Mike

Also worth noting that every producer Lyle imports already obviously has a U.S. importer (Lyle), and so wouldn’t be included in Theise’s criticism of producers who don’t have U.S. importers.