Should Wineberserkers Try to Attract Younger Members?

For the ones who are self-conscious about posting tasting notes, the best thing to do is just to do it, write them up, and ideally post them too as we all gain from them.

Sense of taste is likely the most subjective thing ever. Tasting notes should never be criticized or commented on based on any objective metric (apart from the absurd word salad ones that we all like to laugh at, but I doubt any newer posters would go with the vertical laser beams of tannin-descriptions). We all feel/remember/think of taste differently, and for some ā€œgraphiteā€ is a thing they consider a taste, even though we all know graphite is flavorless and odorless so from an objective perspective, it makes no sense. Yet to you, it may.

Here’s an example how subjective it is. I don’t know what milk tastes like. Last time I had milk was 40 years ago and I obviously have no recollection of it. I’m sure most of you would know what milk tastes like, so if someone talks about lactic notes in their wine, hell, those lactic notes are probably completely different to me than what they are to you.

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Of course not! Out to vineyard, on the other hand…

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I proposed one years ago for Eric Levine because he never picked upon sarcasm.. Never took off.

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As a young person - wanted to say that this thread is great! Motivation to not lurk (which is my tendency) and start to interact!

It was rather difficult to discover this community - surprising now that I’m a part of it. However I am doing some sort of search related to a wine topic just about daily. And it took about a year before I discovered WB. Unsure how it could be made more visible, but I know I’m sure glad I found it!

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Emoji’s is my generations language :wink:

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Tasting Notes are opinions. (We all have them) Be honest with them. Write them down. Presto! Now you have a quality tasting note.

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Yup, and if they suck, we’ll make fun of them…but privately, no worries!

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And most importantly, if someone disagrees, don’t let that undermine your confidence in the note. If you liked the wine, if you got those elements in the wine, the fact that some stranger didn’t should not make you question your own reality. No matter who that stranger is.

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100%!

For examples …

sometimes a wine comes across as ā€œoakyā€ to me. It is then later pointed-out that it ā€œsaw no new oakā€. My response? ā€œWell, something in there smelled/tasted like oak to me – whether that was oak, something else, or whatever … bottom line: it came across as oaky to me.ā€

Same thing with ā€œstemmy.ā€

I recently had a 2001 JJ Prum Auslese. It had one characteristic that suggested it was presenting as youthful. It had another characteristic that suggested it was presented as early mature. So what did I do? Did I choose to not post my TN altogether? No. Did I delete one of the characteristics from my TN to elminate the apparent discrepancy? No. I just let it be, and called it like I perceived it, apparent contradiction be damned! And here I am — lived to tell the tale!!

TN’s should be read as perceptions, as opinions, not as facts. And everyone is the world’s leading expert on their own interpretations of their own perceptions. Hoping folks remember that. :cheers:

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This one kills me . . .

There are so many wines aged in 1-2 year old barrels that still show plenty of oak character - especially if you are ā€˜sensitive’ to it . . .

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Younger person here. To any other young people lurking - take the leap!! I’ve made great friends through this forum and have been able to deepen my wine knowledge dramatically both online and in person. I’ve discovered new producers - both local and abroad - that I never would’ve known about if not for this forum. (Shoutout especially to Goodfellow for being a household fave now. Was not familiar with them 3 years ago and now we’re serving it at our wedding party this summer!)

Only thing I’ll say that’s not often talked about here is - watch out for FOMO and lifestyle creep. You’re gonna hear about so many wines and wineries and you’re gonna want to try all of them. There’s all sorts of deals and coupon codes and up-and-coming producers doing XYZ that are going to sound amazing… but don’t forget to set a budget and don’t be afraid to say no sometimes haha (I didn’t own an ArteVino before joining this forum so this is a real thing to look out for! lol)

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You also weren’t drinking Leroy GE before joining this forum :joy:

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I got to try TWO last weekend. Absolutely unreal

I remember years ago going to Opus One on my own. I ordered a glass at the tasting room and thought - it couldn’t get better than this. I could’ve been perfectly content with that life :joy:. This forum has opened my eyes (and my wallet) for sure

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But there are probably as much tasting notes saying they find prominent toasty notes and lots of vanilla in wines aged in terracotta amphorae or concrete tanks!

That’s 100% been my experience.

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What’s a budget?

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When you move it. But just a little.

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I keep telling myself I’ll stick to it but am failing miserably

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I’m a good (or bad) influence depending on your perspective. I am good at finding nice bottles though ;). Can’t believe you missed the 21 Gillet

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This is a very large board full of a whole lot of people. Yes, there are people who drink mostly very expensive Bordeauxs and Burgundies. There are also some absolute experts on wines from Germany Which Riesling are you drinking? - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers and the Loire. A classification, vintages and impressions of Loire reds - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers They will tell you which wines to drink that are great values.

There are people who love Burgundy that are not (or used not to be) so expensive. Consolidated off-the-beaten-path Burgundy TNs - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

There are threads on the differences between modern Bordeaux and traditionally made Bordeaux. Traditional vs. Modern Bordeaux? - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

And, there are threads on the same with Nebiollo. Traditional vs. Modern Barolo / Barbaresco - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

I recommend that newer wine drinkers (whether older or younger) look around (use the search function) and find threads about what they are interested in. Yes, it is going to be intimidating to read about 50 year old wines from Burgundy or Bordeaux or California that now cost a fortune. But, remember that the $200 1982 Bordeaux in many cases cost the guy posting about it around $15 in 1983 when the person bought the wine on futures. So, even many of the guys drinking really expensive wines did not pay a fortune for those wines and today is looking for wines that are well priced and not really expensive wines.

Read posts by Alfert and Julian Marshall on affordable Bordeaux. And, by all means, read posts by Otto, who posts wonderful tasting notes on wines (include many obscure wines) from all around the world.

So, yes, all of us should be encouraging to newer and younger members. But, frankly, they have to ask questions and not just post on wines they think are great that more experienced members know will fall apart in a few years. The newbies who ask questions and don’t pretend to know more than they know will do a lot better on this board. A lot of people will step in to help people get started who ask for help.

And, newbies really have to use the search feature. I am sure that there are threads on everything they want to talk about, but they have to look for them.

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