Riesling: Designing a case or two

Lately I’ve been skewing toward much lower alc wines and with summer, Riesling is particularly refreshing.

I’ve had a number of the widely available producers (Prum, Dönnhoff, Zind-Humbrecht, Trimbach, etc) but don’t cellar much at all. Thinking back to a 1976 Prum had years ago I’m planning to buy a lot more Riesling for daily drinking and both mid to long-term cellaring.

If you were to construct a case or two composed of mid-tier, big guns, and daily drinkers what would it look like? What are current under the radar good values? Preferably both German and French.

My advice would be to order a case of 2012s wines from the Mosel. Excellent vintage, still open and somewhat available. The Mosel is also quite diverse so you will still get a range of styles.

Get a mixed case of styles and producers.

For styles look for the following:

Trocken*
Grosses Gewachs (the most expensive but worth trying a couple)
Halbtrocken
Feinberg
Kabinett
Spatlese (I would skip Auslese and higher until you see what you like because they are more expensive and sometimes difficult to drink young)

*You can find Kabinett and Spatlese Trockens.

You could easily do this through Crush or Chambers.

If you want to stay local give me a couple of stores and I can make suggestions.

I think this is an excellent time to go very deep as the 2012 German vintage - on the shelves now - is spectacular. Perhaps especially in the Mosel. Selbach-Oster killed it. Their Zelt Schloss Kab is amazing at about $22, and their Zelt Sonn “Ur Alte Reben” feinherb phenomenal for $26. World-class wines both. Also love the Merkelbach '12s. Really just a ton of great wines on the shelves from this vintage now and I suspect you’ll get a lot of recommendations.

I have to tell you though I’m very tempted to keep all of this as quiet as possible, as these wines are among the most underappreciated - read “underpriced”! - in the world. Really hope the confusing nomenclature and generalized fear of RS keeps the masses away!

Thanks both.

Robert-- I do enjoy Auslese and really the whole range of the ripeness spectrum. I think my issue is more producer selection, as I’m not familiar with many under the radar/ value producers. The best I’ve had was that 76 Prum I mentioned, which was an Auslese. I prefer west coast retailers (being in Los Angeles) but do order sometimes from Wine Library, etc. I know Crush is good but the shipping does add up from a few of those east coast retailers.

Richard – Thanks, I’ll check both those producers. Agreed Riesling is surely one of the last bastions of QPR.

Looking for some good values to go with the big guns then try Merkelbach and von Hovel for a start.

Under some radar, seek out Vollenweider and Weiser-Kunstler.

Leitz is outstanding across the spectrum.

If you want French, seek out Boxler.

Try Alzinger and Brundlmayer from Austria as well. Hiedler is a good value producer. Hirtzberger, Knoll and Pichler are some of the big guns.

Man, it’s a shame you didn’t ask this question one week ago - WineX [down by Disney Land] just had an epic tasting of 2012 Rieslings last Saturday.

You definitely want to get on their email list, along with the Woodland Hills email list.

Also, Tom Hill has written about Riesling and Gruner at Tatomer up in Lompoc:

That would be a must-visit for any Riesling lover in SoCal.

Just buy Prum.

Ok here is a case from two local stores (I could not stick withs 12s only):

From DomainLA

2013 Weiser-Kunstler Feinberg - $27
2012 Knebel Riesling QbA “Von den Terrassen” - $23
2012 Immich-Batterieberg “Batterieberg” - $50
2011 A.J. Adam Riesling Kabinett Hofberg - $33
2013 Peter Lauer “Barrel X” Saar Riesling - $20
2012 Peter Lauer Saar Riesling Brut Sekt - $40

From K&L Hollywood:

2012 Joh. Jos. Prüm Bernkasteler Badstube Riesling Kabinett - $24
2012 Meulenhof Erdener Treppchen Riesling Kabinett - $18
2012 Selbach Oster Zeltinger Sonnenuhr “Ur” Alte Reben Riesling Spätlese (Feinherb)
2012 Schloss Lieser Brauneberger Juffer Riesling Kabinett - $23
2009 Heymann-Lowenstein Schieferterrassen Riesling - $25
2012 Schloss Lieser Estate Riesling (Feinherb) - $16

I would seriously debate the merits of that case.

FIFY

Too much extra money for too little incremental quality.

Shush!

Producers I really like include Prum, Zilliken, Rheinhold Haart, Von Scubert, Selbach, Schloss Lieser, Shaffer Frolich, Trimbach, Albert Mann.

I have a couple of hundred bottles of Prum and no Keller, I think my preferences are clear. :wink:

Ok David lets see what you come up with at two stores located in LA?

Admittedly I have not had all of these wines I was just trying to put together a fun case to try that someone could pick up at two stores that are 5 minutes apart and was not too pricey.

What ever you put together I will buy.

Is that a comparison and comment vs Prum or other producers? In any event, I know we’ve had this discussion many times but your money point doesn’t really hold true over here.

Thanks Robert. I was actually near K&L yesterday and picked up a few bottles before I saw this post, including the 2012 Selbach Alte Reben. Really great bottle! Definitely something I’m going to buy more of. I’ll check out those other producers. DomaineLA is also a good shop which often has things you won’t see elsewhere in LA. I have bought Levet and some PYCM from there.

I have had each of the wines that are at DomainLA accept the 12 Knebel and all are very good. Tasted the Lauer several times including at the Domain, the WK at the domain and the Immich at the Chambers/Dressner tasting and in the Mosel with Gernot so I feel pretty confident about those choices.

Can you describe the sweetness level for the SO Zelt Schloss Kab?
Thanks!

SOS:1 on the Terry Thiese scale.

I’m not familiar enough with German wines to give you an idea of whether that comports to a “classic” level of sweetness for a Kab, or closer to a traditional Auslese, etc., so I think Terry’s scale will be much more useful for you than anything I might come up with. The Zelt Schloss Kab is certainly sweeter than the S-O Zelt Sonn Ur Alte Reben which is designated a feinherb by the producer, given an SOS:0 by TT, and also has noticeable (but lesser) RS.

If you’re looking for utterly dry, look elsewhere! [cheers.gif]