Red, not pinot, that taste like Bourgogne?

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Well, maybe you can help here…
Starting to think about wine for a tasting in March - topic is ‘red wine outside Bourgogne, not Pinot’
But it is still supposed to taste like red (quality) bourgogne :slight_smile:
My cellar mostly holds wine from the old classic areas like bourgogne, bordeaux, rhone, piemonte and tuscany.
So most likely need to search for this, however I do consider the following, (probably not 1:1 match)

  • Barolo e.g. Rinaldi coste 2007, Giacosa Rocche 2005
  • Rhone e.g. Mouline 2000 or 1989, Tours Grand Reserve 1998
  • Tuscany e.g. Constanti riserva 1985, Biondi Santi riserva 1975
  • Old Bordeaux e.g. Conseillante 1937, Rauzan Segla 1937

let me know your advise either from the classic areas above or new ones

Thx
Asger

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Bierzo wine from Spain is the automatic answer. Considered PN on steroids! :wine_glass:

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Cool theme! Traditional Barolo/Barbaresco is a good call.

Grenache can work as well. Everyone comments on how Pinot-like Rayas can be, though I can’t speak to that personally. So that might be an option depending on your budget. Another Chateauneuf that could fit the bill is Chapelle St Theodoric, which can definitely can be Burgundy like. Another Grenache option is Comando G out of Spain.

Some Sangiovese could work too- the one time I had Pergole Torte I was stuck by its Burgundy character.

Traditional Bordeaux with age could work, though I’d think you’d have to choose carefully. 85 Trotanoy last year was very Burgundy-like, at leas my particular bottle was.

Finally, I think a very fun one could be Domaine Economou Antigone. That’s a delicious super Intersting light red made from the indigenous Liatiko grape in Crete.

Let us know what you choose and how it goes!

https://www.cellartracker.com/m/my/notes?q=Château+Trotanoy&ac=1

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Would Gamay be considered cheating?

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Valtellina, especially with age, Etna reds, especially with age. Rayas, as mentioned above.

I do think once wines are old enough it becomes very difficult to tell what the varietal is.

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thank you for the inputs - many good options, on a fun note, I actually have Trotanoy 1985 in the cellar :slight_smile:

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I’ve had some elegant Zweigelt and Blaufränkisch. Pinot-like? Yes. Burgundian? Maybe…

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I do not see Gamay as cheating :slight_smile:

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Hej Asger

Perhaps some of the new-school German producers? Many of them do elevage in used Burgundian oak barrels. Other board members could probably chime in with more precise vintages and producers.

An old Foillard would definitely be good for Gamay.

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Etna Rosso is an obvious choice to me.

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Some Trousseau based wines can pass as Pinot.

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Obviously Beaujolais- The 2009 vintage is magic right now.

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already said but I was going to chime in with Blaufrankisch.

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Xinomavro from Naoussa

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My limited experience with Corsican sciacarello had some burgundian elements. Really enjoy the Vaccelli wines.

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sounds fun - never tried Xinomavro before

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I do a lot of blind tasting, and while I think Nebbiolo can initially raise questions about being Burgundy, I can usually tell by the much higher tannin level that it is Nebbiolo.

Better chance of confusing it for Burg as it gets older and the tannins finally start to relent.

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Sandlands Trousseau is an excellent wine which I think could be confused with village Burg.

Podere le Boncie makes very pretty lighter bodied Tuscan reds (Sangiovese) which could work.

I think lighter bodied / milder vintage Etna Rosso is a good option.

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For barolo and Barbaresco, not as much alto Piemonte and valtellina

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Third vote for finding a good Beaujolais and going with that.

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