Thanks Paul. I know it’s frightfully early for any of those vintages. But curiosity! I’m hoping that they have moved to being a bit more accessible in youth over the last decade.
76 vogue musigny didn’t need more time…
The 1978 M/V was very fine even 12 yeas ago …
- but I remember having had it first in 1991, and then it was tight
always seems to need more time than expected! Interesting note on the '07s. I’ve had a few that felt a bit light, but when they have the right balance, they can be really enjoyable.
Yeah I think vogue musigny and roumier bm need the most time of most grand crus.
Do you think I should hold off opening a 17 Vogue Musigny? Asking if 17 is an exception to the rule IYO.
I would definitely not open a 17 vogue musigny personally. When we opened the 07 which is likely an even more accessible vintage in 21 it wasn’t remotely ready. We had it again in 23 and it still was better but not that giving, lighter bodied and elegant but could’ve used more time. I feel like right now you wouldn’t get much out of the 17.
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Thanks for the advice!
Very limited dataset. Faiveley 07s seem to be getting tired very quickly… Cazetiers is tired, Latricieres is faded/lost intensity on the nose, and Beze was wide open. Asked someone who drinks a lot of burgundy and they made a loose comment on 07s fading faster than expected. Didn’t mean to imply the vintage overall was already dead, but some lower tier wines may be tiring at this stage and the Grand Crus could be ready quicker than expected (which isn’t a bad thing). I’ll bring an 07 Beze to the next WB event.
I mean my experience is the absolute opposite, but I’m mostly drinking 07s from Rousseau, DRC, MG and a few others. Angerville is also good. I’m still skeptical wines like Roumier and Vogue are even starting to drink well.
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The 89 wasn’t a great vintage of that. I got gifted one in 98 visiting the domaine and it drank pretty well the same year.
Not my experience. I had no Faiveley 07 recently (wasn’t 2007 the vintage when they changed their style?), but 07 C.d.Beze Bouchard was very fine 7 weeks ago, 07 CdlRoche/Raphet and Arnoux Suchots were wonderful in December - and all are in no danger of fading.
I think I had a few other random 07s a few years ago from Gerard raphet (beze) and Louis remy which were also great.
Few updates after a couple dinners and paulee weekend:
1998: nice to revisit 98 Rousseau ruchottes and CSJ again. The ruchottes was prettier with delicate aromatics and the CSJ leaned into the savory elements.
1999: Hudelot-Noellat Clos Vougeot was a bit rustic and structured but drank well. Mugneret Gibourg Clos Vougeot was very pretty.
2000: Mugneret Gibourg Clos Vougeot was lovely; not as rustic as I expected, with plenty of fruit, earth, and lovely aromatics. Trapet Chambertin was very expressive and integrated, if not as complete as the 2001. La Tache was in the zone and singing, but no rush needed. DRC RSV was not as giving as the 01. Vogue Bonnes Mares was surprisingly open and giving it a bit clunky. Mugnier Bonnes Mares was more elegant and soulful.
2001: Mugneret Gibourg Clos Vougeot was soulful, transparent, and very pretty. The Trapet Chambertin was light bodied but had nice structure and length. DRC RSV didn’t have the concentration of more recent vintages but had some pretty fruits.
2002: La Tache was a standout; I do think it’s entering its prime and should be there for a number of years. Remonisset GE was surprisingly good. Mugnier Musigny was like a ray of sunshine and singing.
2005: Vogue Bonnes Mares was very tight but seemed to have some good potential.
2009: Liger Belair Brûlées was surprisingly concentrated and powerful. I quite enjoyed Faiveley Clos de Cortons. Lafarge Clos de Chenes was still a bit tight.
2010: DRC RSV was again beautiful. DRC RC was of course phenomenal.
2012: DRC Richebourg was actually stunningly good; I was surprised it was so open.
2013: The mini horizontal of CSJ was fun. Rousseau was by far the most powerful and it had nice depth, fruit and a long finish. The Fourrier was pretty and light bodied but very fresh and lively. The Clair was deep and dark, and a bit rustic. Mugneret Gibourg Ruchottes was a bit restrained but pretty.
2014: Mugneret Gibourg Clos Vougeot was very open which I didn’t expect from such a structured vintage, definitely not as fruit forward as the 15-16 but drinking quite beautifully.
2015: MG Clos Vougeot was stunning. Glad I have a few of these. This will go for many years. Hudelot-Noellat Suchots had a lot of spice and lovely fruits.
2016: This was my favorite of the MG Clos Vougeot and Hudelot suchots, with everything, lovely aromatics, pretty fruits, and a long finish.
2017: 17s remain wide open. The Hudelot Suchots was a little lighter bodied than 15-16 but charming, pretty and surprisingly deep. Anne Gros Richebourg was a little unusual on the nose initially but all Richebourg on the palate, and after a couple hours was brilliant. DRC corton was amazingly accessible, much more so than the 19, with plenty of fruit, depth, and finish. These wines are underrated. La Grande Rue was a blind I did at noreetuh, which showed very well; much more accessible and ready to drink than the 19 I opened a few years back.
2019: Dujac Malconsorts was wide open even from mag. Very pretty and with surprising length. Eugenie Clos Vougeot was very pretty and I dont know why I don’t buy more of these wines.
I won’t opine much about 22 here as I’ve posted about it in the paulee thread, I do think these will be good but perhaps not as good as initially advertised. I may prefer 21 for at least 10 years, if not longer.
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Very thoughtful notes, Michael. Your instincts serve you well!
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Thanks, Michael,
I have that Fourrier, maybe I should get to it soon?
In addition, I am surprised by your comment on the Liger Belair; all of his wines I have tasted have been concentrated and powerful, though also in their way gorgeous. Other experiences you’ve had have been otherwise?
I’ve found liger belair before 2014 or so to be quite variable. I probably had 10-15 different liger belair wines during paulee weekend and was… let’s just say, underwhelmed.
Reporting back, the 2014 Cathiard Malconsorts was excellent. Yes, very young and a long way to go, but already showing a lot of character and pleasure. IMHO it was better than 2014 Arnoux Lachaux Suchots next to it. Rousseau Mazi 2017 was just gorgeous too, surprisingly (to me) generous fruit, tightened up by the next day. A 1999 Champans from D’Angerville came across as a not-yet-quite-ready 2005 lol 
(it was lovely).
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Interesting, Michael,
The first time I tried them at La Paulee, now quite a few years back, I had a similar experience. More recently–and I am mainly talkng grand tasting and thus only the Aux Brulee, which he only pours there, I had been quite impressed. Maybe the wines don’t always receive the proper aeration and so on?