I believe the answer to the natural thing is yes. But I have also read that some of these other single vineyard or vineyard blends don’t have some of these issues.
My dear Corton brother - from a young generation.
MChang provided an excellent data points and I agreed. That being said, may I add the following comments/or questions ?
(1) Different stroke for different folks;
(2) Different producers have their different styles (= do you know the style of the producer : B-Gerbet ); ;
(3) 2017 is now 9 years old;
(4) If your are able to get hold of at least 6 bottle to 12 bottles, why not ?
Just my 2 cents…
If you do not like the bottles, let me drink them for you !!
Well said. I agreed.
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Yeah in this price point, I would be much happier with the Berthaut-Gerbet Fixin or some of the Dureuil-Janthial options.
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I have a lot of this wine but zero interest in opening it. The last bottle in 2025 was nowhere near ready.
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Curious- has anyone had a positive experience with a Pataille wine with age- like 10-15 years? I suppose I could check CT. I confess, I’ve mostly consumed them young 5 >
N=1 for me, but I also had a non-spritzy (US-imported) bottle of the 2022 Marsannay last year that showed a little VA but was otherwise enjoyable. That said it wasn’t so impressive that given what I read here I felt the need to go deep on Pataille in general, or his higher-end bottles in particular.
Quick vintage impressions
13 MSD still pretty tight some enjoyment now but needs a few more years
09 MSD same as the 13 but more excitement to come will be very nice wine in 3-5 years
21 Chambolle open and giving at the moment was dynamite on day 2 as well
16 Chambolle was surprisingly delicious and my frontrunner for best of the flight, will benefit from more time but was quite good now and will get better.
02 Chambolle right where you would expect at this age almost unanimous WOTF and certainly befitted from a bit of air and got better
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Yes - I agree in that …Fixin is the best for me - one of the QPR.
Agreed. Not a quality issue but a readiness / vinification issue and my limited experience would tell me DNT (do not touch ) on this one.
I strongly disliked some recent reds (in Europe) for the same reasons. But the whites good.
That 2022 Marsannay village seems to have been bottled with an unfortunate amount of reduction. A candidate for opening the day before to let it all blow off and see if any other creepy crawlies are waiting underneath. The higher end cuvées made it into bottle in better shape in 2022 imo.
If searching out Pataille reds, I’d go for the Lieu-dit bottlings, ideally from 2020.
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Spritz and funk mean that the bottle should be shaken vigorously to get rid of the CO2, they will usually disappear.
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I have heard of such things, but at the risk of sounding stupid - this actually works?
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Yes
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Shaking the bottle up will get rid of the fizz quickly, but reduction on this level needs hours of oxygen in my experience to fully clear up. It’s pretty stinky.
It can work straight away, not at all or anything in between.
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'09 Fourrier G-C VV vilage was in a great spot last night. Length and complexity, thanks to some tertiary development, blending nicely w/GC dark fruit. Fourrier perfume in the nose.
'02 Michel Magnien Clos St. Denis was less of a success–still young for my taste. Nice density and a promising mixture fruit and spice. RFK jr would have loved the nose when opened: beef fat! I’ve never gotten that in Burg before and partner confirmed. Fat was not noticeable as such on the palate.
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I popped 2 bottles of 08 Clos des Lambrays in the past 6 months, and they’ve been gorgeous. Granted, they are my only reference points for both producer and vintage, but those of us who shared the bottles had universal praise. Wonderfully expressive nose with pretty strawberry fruit with early sous bois palate. a light minerality left with each sip.
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