drc, guyon, eugenie, quite a few others.
Thanks for opening, will let me lone bottle sleep a bit longer
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2012 is an interesting vintage; I still think it’ll be really good but a lot haven’t been drinking well lately.
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Every time I do this with Jadot CSJ I say to myself I should have waited to 20 years, then it’s would have been better at 25, for example ‘08 recently. Still haven’t broken into the ‘05s, a ‘97 will be next.
I imagine 97 should be good. I don’t think the Jadot CSJ need quite that long, I think the 10 will be fine.
Not saying ‘10 won’t “be fine” just that these are generally so structured that without the years, they always have seemed more about potential than enjoyment. Have collected these on and off since 1990. (Did not buy ‘09, instead got ‘08 and ‘10, but based on other Jadot 1ers I suspect more enjoyment in ‘09 at the moment for CSJ, just a guess.)
Jadot made great 97s
Last I checked (granted it was some time ago) Confuron-Cotetidot was 100% whole bunch. I can’t really imagine Yves changing his mind on that so I’d expect it’s still 100%.
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2022 Berthaut-Gerbet Vosne Romanee 1er Cru Les Petit Monts - My journey continues with this bottle, which I knew I was opening way too young. But you can’t get a great feel for how a producer’s wine might be drinking young without drinking them young. So here we go. This is quite a bit different than the BG Vosne Romanee village, which was an absolute gem, clean, open, and lovely right now. The Petit Monts is all together different beast, though both show a lovely floral note. This delivers raspberry, blood orange, cranberry juice cocktail, rose, and a big spice and minerally note. On the palate, acid is high, tannins are present. The bright fruit and florals carry through, and the spicy aromatics suggest considerable whole cluster since the wine is not otherwise woody. This needs like 15 years before I think it will be peak approachable, and while the critics fawned over this wine, I wonder if acid is just a touch high here. Still, the florals and bright aromatic fruit are appealing.
For drinking now, I prefer the Vosne village. In 20 years, this may well be a fantastic bottle of wine. But do give it time, and a lot of it.
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Have u tried the 2017? I had my eye on it. Is it early drinking like other 17’s?
I have not.
Petit Monts in general are not wines I’d go out of my way to open early unless it’s the drc at a French restaurant.
Mixed opinion on this. On the one hand, nice fruits, pretty nose and approachable, but it had a noticeable “spritz” (nothing like the fizzy bubbles posted in the other thread) and tasted a little “dirty” with barnyard flavors. Nothing overpowering by any stretch but certainly there. Not sure if that’s just the style or what, but this wasn’t something I’d necessarily seek out again. Still have a couple bottles so interested to see if there’s any variation. I gather that’s just the way these wines are though
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Had the '23 last week in Paris and roughly similar notes, lots of big fruit, the clear spritz (although no barnyard). Maybe needed more air to show better, but reinforced why I would not be taking a chance on bottles in the US!
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I had a much cleaner bottle late last year, everything about the nose sounds similar, but I managed to avoid the “spritz.” There was still a little funk, but it cleaned up with air.
At this point I honestly don’t know what to think about Pataille’s methods if they lead to that much variability in bottles, but I will say, a clean bottle can be really good.
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I have no experience but is Pataille overrated? The guy sure gets a lot of attention but I rarely hear of a great experience with his wines.
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My understanding from reading through the various threads is he makes some higher end bottlings from single vineyards and/or blends from vineyards and these receive more care than the general village and Bourgogne wines.
The wine had elements that I rather enjoyed and I can see why people like them. I’d be willing to try some of his other stuff but it is concerning that there appears to be so much variation in bottles. If this bottle didn’t have the spritz and the funk, it would’ve been really good.
FWIW, I have tasted the Aligote and that was rather nice for the price.
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Does Pataille “lean natural” with low SO2 such that you need to store these well at all times to avoid issues? The ‘21 and ‘22 Longerois I tried had zero issues, very bright fruit and expressive, and reflecting the vintages.
I’ve never had Pataille in Europe, but the funk/spritz/VA seems to be a feature, not a bug, of the wines over here. Whether you like that is up to you (I don’t), but they seem to be SOP.
I have no dog in the hunt, I have a had a few Pataille wines over the years and never felt compelled to seek out more. Many of the “flaws” discussed here were present.
That being said, to the over-rated comment: Jasper Morris and Alan Meadows have each, at times, referred to Pataille as a “genius” and “extraordinary oenologist”
Perhaps there’s am agricutlural and historical argument there that is not transferring to what is in the bottle.
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