Pontet Canet in Napa?

[John_Morris]

BTW, do I want my tannins to be silt-like? Asking for a vigneron friend.

Nope! Silt is a rock particle in which the grain size is smaller than sand but larger than clay.

When doing fieldwork, geologists have sometimes been known to put a small sample in their mouth. If they can feel the gritty particles; it is a siltstone, if not then it is a claystone (which may later become shale thru further lithification). They do this as it can be hard to tell the difference purely by visual methods.

So if I want my tannins to be gritty and slightly coarse (not really) then yes I want silty tannins.

I suppose maybe he meant silky tannins and this is just a typo? but then “silk-like tannins” does not make sense to me anyway.

Brodie

I presume “silt-like” means fine, as opposed to coarse. It’s possible that Lisa, like me, thought that silt was finer than sand, but nonetheless possessing some grit.

I think she meant silly tannins.

[Neal.Mollen]

Nope! Silt is a rock particle in which the grain size is smaller than sand but larger than clay.

When doing fieldwork, geologists have sometimes been known to put a small sample in their mouth. If they can feel the gritty particles; it is a siltstone, if not then it is a claystone (which may later become shale thru further lithification). They do this as it can be hard to tell the difference purely by visual methods.

So if I want my tannins to be gritty and slightly coarse (not really) then yes I want silty tannins.

I suppose maybe he meant silky tannins and this is just a typo? but then “silk-like tannins” does not make sense to me anyway.

Brodie

I presume “silt-like” means fine, as opposed to coarse. It’s possible that Lisa, like me, thought that silt was finer than sand, but nonetheless possessing some grit.

I think she meant silly tannins.

[dvansteenderen]

When tasting the 2018 Château Pontet Canet during the EP week in april 2019 I tasted the 2018 Pym Rae as well, the latter is very full bodied but also a bit alcoholic.

[Kelly_Walker]

I do not think they are trying to make a Cali Pontet Canet but a cult Cali cab in the Harlan genre. Not sure how successful that will be as nobody will equate the two.

[RichardFlack]

Seems to me this is flying in the face of climate change. They will be able to make Cali cabs in Bordeaux before too long.

[Markus_S]

BTW, do I want my tannins to be silt-like? Asking for a vigneron friend.

Silt is not bad, but it’s a bitch to decant.

[Roy_Piper]

As a guy whose buying tops out around Elysian/Maybach/2nd growths (i.e. mmmmaybe $200) I’m trying to figure out the $350 price tag. My first thought was that they are positioning their competitors/peers as Dominus and Opus One – but wow a lot of back vintages of those are less than $350.

Not only that, you can get the 2016 Pontet Canet itself for $150.

[emile_bond]

When tasting the 2018 Château Pontet Canet during the EP week in april 2019 I tasted the 2018 Pym Rae as well, the latter is very full bodied but also a bit alcoholic.

BTW, the ‘18 final blend was organized this Spring, 2020. The sample tasted during April 2019 was a component, or multiple components, but not the finished wine for 2018.

[dvansteenderen]

When tasting the 2018 Château Pontet Canet during the EP week in april 2019 I tasted the 2018 Pym Rae as well, the latter is very full bodied but also a bit alcoholic.

BTW, the ‘18 final blend was organized this Spring, 2020. The sample tasted during April 2019 was a component, or multiple components, but not the finished wine for 2018.

I believe that is what Justine Tesseron told us yes…Presumably will get an opportunity to taste the finished wine next visit. When Covid-19 is not ruining everything that is!

[F.Daner]

Could not agree more with Elton’s comments on Robert Craig. Bit of thread drift but their club was the one I stuck with as I cut way back on Napa cab purchases. I love their HM and the pricing is still a value for what’s in the bottle. I own the 12-14 of the Veeder. Looks like I’ll have to pull one and see what the buzz is about.

I remember RP’s notes on Lewelling and his comparison of it to PC. I did do a side by side of both 2003 versions I think in 2013. This was before Lewelling started to get super ripe. There sure was a similarity in the profiles of the wines. As for $300 Napa cab’s I’ve long left that game behind. I can back buy vintages of Forman at under $100. Still love those wines.

Anybody know what did they did with these grapes when Williams still owned it?

FYI, this is from Robert Craig (Elton Slone) a week or two ago

The Tesserons are releasing their first vintage of Pym Rae, Mount Veeder Cabernet in the coming months (from the vineyard we used as our Veeder source from 1993 through the 2015 vintage) at the breathtaking price of $500 per bottle. Bravo! We will see how it fares next to our Mount Veeder in the cellar, and the almighty brown bag, over the next two decades. Check back with me in the 2040 edition of “Greetings from Howell Mountain”. The 2017 vintage wines from Craig are all thrilling, complex, site expressive cellar-worthy beauties that continue to afford a bargain in the ever more expensive playground that is Napa.

[Jeff_M1]

Could not agree more with Elton’s comments on Robert Craig. Bit of thread drift but their club was the one I stuck with as I cut way back on Napa cab purchases. I love their HM and the pricing is still a value for what’s in the bottle. I own the 12-14 of the Veeder. Looks like I’ll have to pull one and see what the buzz is about.

I remember RP’s notes on Lewelling and his comparison of it to PC. I did do a side by side of both 2003 versions I think in 2013. This was before Lewelling started to get super ripe. There sure was a similarity in the profiles of the wines. As for $300 Napa cab’s I’ve long left that game behind. I can back buy vintages of Forman at under $100. Still love those wines.

Anybody know what did they did with these grapes when Williams still owned it?

FYI, this is from Robert Craig (Elton Slone) a week or two ago

The Tesserons are releasing their first vintage of Pym Rae, Mount Veeder Cabernet in the coming months (from the vineyard we used as our Veeder source from 1993 through the 2015 vintage) at the breathtaking price of $500 per bottle. Bravo! We will see how it fares next to our Mount Veeder in the cellar, and the almighty brown bag, over the next two decades. Check back with me in the 2040 edition of “Greetings from Howell Mountain”. The 2017 vintage wines from Craig are all thrilling, complex, site expressive cellar-worthy beauties that continue to afford a bargain in the ever more expensive playground that is Napa.

I found some 03’ Robert Craig Mount Veeder last year and got a 750 and magnum. Both drank outstanding. I would keep my eye out for any of those bottles if they go up for sale. They tend to sell for reasonable pricing considering what the bottles are sold for now by PC.

[EricZ]

This is on cellartext today for $50/bottle. Anyone ever try it? Nothing in CT

[Mar3_Koslowsky]

I think it’s a mistake at that price…

[EricZ]

Yeah they just sent out an update. 379.99

That’s a big typo. I wonder if someone ordered at 49.99 if they would honor it (doubtful)