Had the Ponsot Clos De La Roche 2010 last night. This morning I was wondering if there has been any experience how these corks have performed? I have never had another wine from anyone who used a similar cork. The wine was very good, not great, and still somewhat primary. Anyone with some current knowledge?
Ive had several 2009 Ponsot gevrey village cuvée bottles with the synthetic cork. I could not tell any issue with them.
plastic stopper, no, not an artificial cork. Hope it’s better than the temperature dot. I stopped buying Ponsot due to that closure and cost.
When did they switch to that closure? I only own two bottles of ponsot today, 02 cdlr
I believe the change was about 2008
I can confirm the switch was made in '08. I have '07 Alouettes with a standard cork, but my '08s, '09s and beyond are the space age type.
A family we represent in Burgundy made the switch to this seal, called the Ardeal Seal in 2003. No issues on the bottles from the vintage to current.
Carillon uses the Ardea Seal as well.
I think with vintage 2008. I m not a fan …
When tasted young my impression was “quite sharp acidity” … but no idea if due to that stopper …
Nothing older than 5y tasted with that … and these were quite primary …
Here are my personal notes over the past couple years on some MSD Alouettes sealed with either normal ('07) or Ardea Seal closures ('08, '09). I’ve also tried the '11 but didn’t post notes to CT apparently. My conclusion is that any variability seems more attributable to vintage than closure, though the perfect experiment of two bottles from the same year with different closures is lacking. I will say that two of these five bottles seemed more “advanced” than I expected, but one had a natural cork and the other an Ardea.
2008 Domaine Ponsot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Cuvée des Alouettes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru (1/27/2022)
Sealed with one of those weird futuristic fake corks that Laurent seems to have instituted from this vintage onward (my '09s and '11s also have them but '07s do not). Maroon color with a slight orange rim that appears a bit more advanced than I’d like to see for a wine this age. Seems a bit reduced on the nose, with some cabbage notes, but fortunately this blows off and the wine is much prettier on the palate. Crunchy, bright cherry fruit accented by minerals, olive wood, and thyme/bay leaf herbal notes. Bright and lithe, with a slight chewiness on the back end. Lacking a little stuffing in the midpalate but still rather enjoyable. (90 pts.)
2007 Domaine Ponsot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Cuvée des Alouettes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru (8/21/2021)
From a different lot than my last bottle, this one did not show quite as well. The color was more advanced than I expected from a 14-year old wine, ruby-amber in color with an orange rim. Unexpectedly, this was better on day 2, showing herbal, cherry and orange peel and geranium notes on the nose, Medium-bodied, elegant, quite pretty, with a slightly puckering, medium finish. Recommend to decant. (90 pts.)
2009 Domaine Ponsot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Cuvée des Alouettes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru (3/15/2021)
Juicy and energetic, with a bright red fruit profile of cherry, wild strawberry and pomegranate. Notes of spice and sous bois add complexity, with a sandalwood, peppery finish. Seemed to fade a bit on the 2nd night, so not sure about the longevity here. Really good stuff, but not necessarily worth the hefty price tag for the Ponsot name. (92 pts.)
2009 Domaine Ponsot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Cuvée des Alouettes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru (10/17/2020)
In a word, delicious. Typical of this forward vintage, this is ready to go. Black raspberry, earthy forest floor, black cherry and mineral notes. Expansive, smooth and elegant. A wow wine for me. Weirdest cork I’ve ever seen though. (93 pts.)
2007 Domaine Ponsot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Cuvée des Alouettes - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru (7/24/2020)
My first Ponsot and perhaps also my first 2007 Burgundy. From what I have read about the vintage it has produced rather fresh, fragrant wines with light to medium body and low tannins, and this wine fits right within that description. Very aromatic, with rose petal, raspberry and hints of baking spice. Lovely red fruit, very floral and elegant, with a smooth medium finish. Seems to me to be drinking well right now, and I would guess a reasonable window to be now-2027. Quite good, and makes me wonder, somewhat longingly, how great Ponsot’s GC wines can be if this little premier is so good. (92 pts.)
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Well I have a new reason to dislike these Ponsot synthetic corks. This thread inspired me to check in on the '11 and in the process of opening the bottle with an ah-so, the top of the neck shattered and a sizeable chunk of glass flew across the room and nearly hit my kiddo. Fortunately nobody was hurt and no glass got in the bottle (I filtered just in case). But be advised to use another method if you plan to open these. These form very tight seals, so a screwpull is probably advisable.
I made the mistake of opening one with an ah-so rather than a corkscrew. Wasn’t thinking - in part because we had company over and I was talking and opening at the same time - and so my embarrassment at breaking the bottle was at peak levels (only could have been worse had I been wearing a white shirt). So, in the unlikely event that you are as dumb and/or absentminded as me, please don’t open a bottle with these funky plastic stoppers with an ah-so.
Just opened a '17 CC today. Nothing good about these closures.
Huh, I’ve open several Cornelissen wines with the same seal and I’ve found they come out really easy with a standard corkscrew. Certainly gives the same “ceremony” of opening as a typical cork. I don’t know how they age though but I guess it depends on the oxygen level permeability that the producer picks.