I should have been more precise in my post there. It was an answer to my Canadian Buddy Peter about GC Clos St Jacques prices in US and how LCBO sucks (to Peter: ). I do think 2008 is a great vintage for a better 1ers and Grand Crus and especially in CdN but not to say that CdB sucked as there were some great wines made there too (they ring to me like 1996 did on release so they will require patience.) It’s not the vintage that made great wines across the board but the best wines are out of this world good to me. I hate to say this but they did move me more that 2009s did but 2009s are better across the board. 2008’s had this vibrancy about them that made me go WOW. 2008 CSJ was one of my fav wines of the vintage.
One of the top wines in Jadot Stable but out of the all producers in CSJ Jadot is the most structured and will require a lot of aging. If you want to taste one try finding properly stored 2000 or 1997 , those are drinking well at the moment.
Courcel is the best represented producer here in Switzerland and, from what I understand, his vines are en Hauts. I have been introduced to Boillot’s wines and was not terribly excited. Gaunoux and Voillot are two I would like to find and give a run at but I have to find my way over to Burgundy to find any of their bottles. Not a bad thing but not always convenient.
In response to your question, “yes” I guess I really do have to ask.
I really like this vintage quite a bit. It is especially nice in the upper 1ers and Grand Crus in the Cote de Nuits. The quality of the fruit is red and the acidity is nice. I could understand why someone would call it an excellent vintage. In areas that struggle for ripeness or need it, this was probably not the best vintage there. ie Marsannay and Fixin
In the Cote de Beaune, some of the best whites in quite a while were produced. In general, if the whites are absolutely astounding, the vintage will be poor for the reds. That was not the case however for 2008. Some good wines were made in Volnay and several other places. I could understand based on this that some might call it an excellent vintage. 1991 and 1993 were like this. The reds in those two vintages were astounding and the whites turned out better than many thought. (Reverse of 2008 if you will) FWIW.
My guess would be everybody down the lane. In this times, nobody is going to let their cherries go for peanuts, especially after 2006 got killed by 2008 economic crash, 2007 was a difficult vintage and 2008’s didn’t sell that well. 2009’s are where everybody in a chain expects to make up.
Just had a 2000 Armand Clos des Epeneaux tonight on a whim after reading this thread. I would say middle-tier Grand Cru might be just about right for that particular bottle and vintage.
Interesting. You mean he sent new releases to an auction house? Do you know where/which one?
Sounds like a smart tactic for a producer maybe? Especially if he has a purpose…or is trying to cut out the other middlemen.
Mark - a little fact checking is in order here. One of Fourrier’s importers for the chinese market put some of their wines in Zachys Auction in HK including some 09’s in order to strengthen their place in the Chinese Market. The fact that the prices were quite high will in no way affect the ex cellar prices of the Domaine.
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