Paging Gerhard: Pronouncing Veltliner

[Gerhard_P]

@g.colangelo

In fact, can you name an example of a German word with a v not read as f, which does not come from a different language?

I´ll think about it.
Actually everything that came to my mind so far - like Viktor, Vatikan, Veto, Variable, Vanille, Vera … seems to confirm your theory.

[James_Wright]

der Verein, vielleicht?

[g.colangelo]

@James Wright

der Verein, vielleicht?

German word, I’d say…

[James_Wright]

@g.colangelo

If I may propose an explanation for the exception: it is because Veltlin is the germanization of Valtellina. In the Italian word the first letter is of course pronounced as V, not as F. This should also explain why as you move North, the connection to the origin of the name gets lost and people apply the rule and pronounce veltliner with an F.

I think the same explanation (origin from another language) holds for many first names which start with a V which is pronounced as V also in German.

I used to think it odd when reading Herman Hesse’s Unterm Rad and Peter Camenzind that folks were drinking a red wine called Veltliner—then Pronay pointed out to me the Valtelina connexion…

[Ken_V]

After reading this whole thread, I think next time I’ll order Riesling.

[Chris_Seiber]

Another fun white wine pronunciation is Steen, which is the South African name for Chenin Blanc. A South African friend explained that it’s pronounced STEE-en, like rhyming with Ian.

[MaiMadigan]

Thread.Of.The.Month

And me with a trip to Vienna (and hopefully dinner with Gerhard) in Dec.

Thank you to all contributors on this thread. Love it!

[Gerhard_P]

@MikeMadigan

Thread.Of.The.Month

And me with a trip to Vienna (and hopefully dinner with Gerhard) in Dec.

Thank you to all contributors on this thread. Love it!

Mike,
you´re welcome … and I still have reserved the 21st in my calendar!

Cheers
Gerhard

[MaiMadigan]

Excellent Gerhard, I have that down as well. I am waiting for the train schedule to be load for beyond 12/13 and then I will book that and confirm times. Looking forward to it.

[Nathan_Smyth]

You’re going to attempt to travel from Tokyo to Vienna and back in December?

You might want to invest in some hazmat suits.

Or your own personal 737.

[MaiMadigan]

@Nathan Smyth

You’re going to attempt to travel from Tokyo to Vienna and back in December?

You might want to invest in some hazmat suits.

Or your own personal 737.

Um, color me confused. Care to elaborate?

Even transiting FRA outbound and ICN returning.

What am I missing?