No love for Classic Napa Cabernet?

[Carter_Pelham]

Caymus is completely sold out … like we can’t get anymore from our supplier.

We sold all of our Silver Oak last week… so seems like Napa love is still thriving. Most Wagner family stuff is OOS for the year like Emmolo sparkling.

Caymus and silver oak are immensely popular in the world at large, just not here in the AFWE heartland.

Do people still like Mayacamas Mountain wines? I find them very nice albeit expensive similarly Mt. Veeder AVA.

Yes. The cab is expensive, but not unfairly priced given its competition.

The merlot is a crazy bargain IMO, it is so good. It is more structured and ageworthy than 95% of Napa reds (cabs included)

The chardonnay at 50 and their estate chard at like ~85? are very good as well (thread drift)

[B_Davies]

Caymus and silver oak are immensely popular in the world at large, just not here in the AFWE heartland.

Do people still like Mayacamas Mountain wines? I find them very nice albeit expensive similarly Mt. Veeder AVA.

Yes. The cab is expensive, but not unfairly priced given its competition.

The merlot is a crazy bargain IMO, it is so good. It is more structured and ageworthy than 95% of Napa reds (cabs included)

The chardonnay at 50 and their estate chard at like ~85? are very good as well (thread drift)

I like big style merlot tbh… It’s why I’ll drink young pomerol.

[Larry_Stein]

I was given a bottle of 2018 Caymus Cab as a gift by my wife’s daughter. I can’t bring it to any gathering with my usual group of wine geek friends. They’ll hate me and even worse, tease me unmercifully forever and ever. Only thought is to cellar it as a science experiment for several years. And make sure to have a back-up!

Was it by chance the special selection? I wouldn’t have any problem with that.

Nope, regular Napa Cab.

[B_Davies]

I was given a bottle of 2018 Caymus Cab as a gift by my wife’s daughter. I can’t bring it to any gathering with my usual group of wine geek friends. They’ll hate me and even worse, tease me unmercifully forever and ever. Only thought is to cellar it as a science experiment for several years. And make sure to have a back-up!

Was it by chance the special selection? I wouldn’t have any problem with that.

Nope, regular Napa Cab.

I mean, to me it’s still fine. Who knows if you did it blind you might convert some of those wine bullies!

[Larry_Stein]

If it’s anything like the 2012 40th Anniversary, no thanks. The Rombauer Chardonnay of Napa Cab. Residual sugar and too much new oak. Our group did taste it blind. We’ve given Alan Rath a ration of shit for it since (it’s fine, he dishes it right back). If I see blueberries, unctuous, and mocha in a tasting note for CA Cab, I go running the other way.

The only Cabs I have any real quantity of in my cellar are Ridge Monte Bello and Estate Cab. I also purchase from Cedarville Vineyards in the Sierra Foothills (Fairplay, El Dorado County). I’ve known Jonathan Lachs, the winemaker, a long time and he makes old school Cab at a very fair price.

[B_Davies]

If it’s anything like the 2012 40th Anniversary, no thanks. The Rombauer Chardonnay of Napa Cab. Residual sugar and too much new oak. Our group did taste it blind. We’ve given Alan Rath a ration of shit for it since (it’s fine, he dishes it right back). If I see blueberries, unctuous, and mocha in a tasting note for CA Cab, I go running the other way.

The only Cabs I have any real quantity of in my cellar are Ridge Monte Bello and Estate Cab. I also purchase from Cedarville Vineyards in the Sierra Foothills (Fairplay, El Dorado County). I’ve known Jonathan Lachs, the winemaker, a long time and he makes old school Cab at a very fair price.

Rombauer is polarizing tho. I think the Chard is has a lot of problems as you mentioned, but the Merlot for me is great. I think the oak is a heavy handed, but there is richness there to balance some of the oak out.

One of the local wine nerds who is a regular I sampled some Dior pinot noir which I don’t really enjoy since the oak and vanilla are crazy high… He was like you know… I’m just feeling this wine. I think he knew it wasn’t a great wine, but it was just his mood he didn’t want anything complex or sophisticated. It’s like that pop song you know is trash, but you still listen to it.

[Howard_Cooper]

Also it doesn’t get much action here but Stony Hill makes a very nice very classic style cab, I hope it stays that way after the buyout.

Certainly seems like at least the prices are changing a lot.

[John_Glas]

Caymus is completely sold out … like we can’t get anymore from our supplier.

We sold all of our Silver Oak last week… so seems like Napa love is still thriving. Most Wagner family stuff is OOS for the year like Emmolo sparkling.

How are those Orin Swift wines selling? Just saw a guy today buy some Prisoners but I didn’t have it in me to lead him to something better.

[John_Glas]

Caymus is completely sold out … like we can’t get anymore from our supplier.

We sold all of our Silver Oak last week… so seems like Napa love is still thriving. Most Wagner family stuff is OOS for the year like Emmolo sparkling.

Caymus and silver oak are immensely popular in the world at large, just not here in the AFWE heartland.

Do people still like Mayacamas Mountain wines? I find them very nice albeit expensive similarly Mt. Veeder AVA.

Chardonnay is outstanding for the price.

[B_Davies]

Caymus is completely sold out … like we can’t get anymore from our supplier.

We sold all of our Silver Oak last week… so seems like Napa love is still thriving. Most Wagner family stuff is OOS for the year like Emmolo sparkling.

How are those Orin Swift wines selling? Just saw a guy today buy some Prisoners but I didn’t have it in me to lead him to something better.

Medium. I always recommend O.S. when people talk about Caymus. O.S. sells a little better than the Prisoner Blend.

[David_Bu3ker]

It’s like that pop song you know is trash, but you still listen to it.

No. It’s trash, so you don’t listen to it.

Same goes for drinking The Prisoner, current Caymus or similar wines.

[B_Davies]

It’s like that pop song you know is trash, but you still listen to it.

No. It’s trash, so you don’t listen to it.

Same goes for drinking The Prisoner, current Caymus or similar wines.

lol tell me how you really feel about Mariah Carey’s Christmas music.

[David_Bu3ker]

It’s like that pop song you know is trash, but you still listen to it.

No. It’s trash, so you don’t listen to it.

Same goes for drinking The Prisoner, current Caymus or similar wines.

lol tell me how you really feel about Mariah Carey’s Christmas music.

I can’t. I have never heard it, and I never will.

[Philip_G]

And… pulling us out of the AFWE weeds of Caymus and Prisoner bashing…

I agree those early Mondavi Reserves like 01, 94, 99 are very good wines and a lot of the in between vintages are good as well.

Amazing how you can still buy older Mondavi Reserves for around $100 from great vintages.

That’s because those aren’t that good.

Ok so the 01, 99 and 94 are not good?

[Philip_G]

It’s like that pop song you know is trash, but you still listen to it.

No. It’s trash, so you don’t listen to it.

Same goes for drinking The Prisoner, current Caymus or similar wines.

lol tell me how you really feel about Mariah Carey’s Christmas music.

[John_Glas]

And… pulling us out of the AFWE weeds of Caymus and Prisoner bashing…

I agree those early Mondavi Reserves like 01, 94, 99 are very good wines and a lot of the in between vintages are good as well.

That’s because those aren’t that good.

Ok so the 01, 99 and 94 are not good?

Even the 2000 was decant which was not a great vintage.

[David_Bu3ker]

And… pulling us out of the AFWE weeds of Caymus and Prisoner bashing…

I agree those early Mondavi Reserves like 01, 94, 99 are very good wines and a lot of the in between vintages are good as well.

Ok so the 01, 99 and 94 are not good?

Even the 2000 was decant which was not a great vintage.

The wine changed after about 1995, and never got back to the prior level.

[Kris_Patten]

Do people still like Mayacamas Mountain wines? I find them very nice albeit expensive similarly Mt. Veeder AVA.

Yes. The cab is expensive, but not unfairly priced given its competition.

The merlot is a crazy bargain IMO, it is so good. It is more structured and ageworthy than 95% of Napa reds (cabs included)

The chardonnay at 50 and their estate chard at like ~85? are very good as well (thread drift)

I like big style merlot tbh… It’s why I’ll drink young pomerol.

Try some WA Merlot like Longshadows Pedestal.

[B_Davies]

Yes. The cab is expensive, but not unfairly priced given its competition.

The merlot is a crazy bargain IMO, it is so good. It is more structured and ageworthy than 95% of Napa reds (cabs included)

The chardonnay at 50 and their estate chard at like ~85? are very good as well (thread drift)

I like big style merlot tbh… It’s why I’ll drink young pomerol.

Try some WA Merlot like Longshadows Pedestal.

I’ll check it out.

[dave_kammerer]

Drinkward Peschon is a classic styled Napa cabernet