Most Underrated Producer in Burgundy?

[Keith_Levenberg]

@craig vanderah

Yes, I’m not sure how to define it myself but certainly the price is factor. But then I should have ask who is the best value I guess. I just noticed that in spite of the great press D’Angerville consistently gets, the wines tend to sell for less and sit on shelves longer than say Mugnier, Rousseau, Roumier, and Dujac.

Probably all four of those are much easier to drink young and at intermediate stages in their evolution than Angerville’s wines. Also, all four are Cote de Nuits producers - always pricier than Cote de Beaune.

I think it’s hard to call Angerville underrated. Even in Volnay I’d be more inclined to give the title to Pousse d’Or, which never seems to get the respect of either Angerville or Lafarge.

[Scott_Brunson]

@Keith Levenberg

@craig vanderah

Yes, I’m not sure how to define it myself but certainly the price is factor. But then I should have ask who is the best value I guess. I just noticed that in spite of the great press D’Angerville consistently gets, the wines tend to sell for less and sit on shelves longer than say Mugnier, Rousseau, Roumier, and Dujac.

Probably all four of those are much easier to drink young and at intermediate stages in their evolution than Angerville’s wines. Also, all four are Cote de Nuits producers - always pricier than Cote de Beaune.

I think it’s hard to call Angerville underrated. Even in Volnay I’d be more inclined to give the title to Pousse d’Or, which never seems to get the respect of either Angerville or Lafarge.

and I really think Patrick L is getting better and better. We tasted there in 09 and were pretty pleased. Much improvement since our visit in 02 (I think)

[Jeremy_Holmes]

Two under the mainstream journo’s radar:

Catherine et Claude Marechal
Jean-Marc Vincent (I import to Australia)

[Frank_Murray_III]

@Kevin Harvey

Dublere

I’m no burg expert but both Dubleres I drank on T-Giving day were excellent. The white will be my QPR of the year, without any doubt (see my signature footer below). The red was the 08 Volnay Pitures and it was balanced, full of flavor yet delicate. Agree with Kevin here.

[Z_Scheiner]

Dublere is a good call, also Gerard Raphet.

[Ken_McNamara]

Domaine Bart makes very bright and silky Marsany’s.
I have also really liked the few bottles from Domaine Richard Maniere I have had.
Domaine Daniel Bocquenet - despite being 100% new wood his wines never taste like oak juice. One of the best buys I ever made was a case of his '01 Echezeaux for about $50 per. I think we will enjoy one tonight!

[Dan_Kravitz]

Maybe not most underrated, but great and definitely under the radar in the U.S.: Courcel.

Dan Kravitz

[Peter_Chiu]

@Peter Muto

@Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow

In some ways, Emmanuel Rouget is by far the most underrated producer in Burgundy…no one gives him any credit for anything…other than being Henri Jayer’s nephew…which is a shame.

I would also agree with Stuart, in a similar sense, that Emmanuel Rouget is underrated. My sense was the constant (and almost always unfavourable) comparison to his uncle must be very difficult personally.

I’m not sure if they’re the most underrated producer in Burgundy but I’ve mentioned this before, Rossignol-Trapet would be my nomination. Wines are as good as just about anyone in Gevrey but don’t get the love, prices and accolades others do.

• 1. R-Trepet Chamebrtin 2005 was at around CAD 142.

Peter…wish you were still living in Toronto. There is no bid in LCBO Auction this week-end for : 2 Roumier Musigny 86 and 2 Roumier B-Mares 1998.

[Robert_Panzer]

@Dan Kravitz

Maybe not most underrated, but great and definitely under the radar in the U.S.: Courcel.

Dan Kravitz

I love the Courcel wines, through and through. They are my benchmark Pommards. I bring in the Bourgogne rouge every year, and it is one of the greatest sneaky qpr wines that i’ve found.

[Scott_Brunson]

@Ken McNamara

Domaine Bart makes very bright and silky Marsany’s.
I have also really liked the few bottles from Domaine Richard Maniere I have had.
Domaine Daniel Bocquenet - despite being 100% new wood his wines never taste like oak juice. One of the best buys I ever made was a case of his '01 Echezeaux for about $50 per. I think we will enjoy one tonight!

+1 on Bart and Bocquenet. Had the 02 Aux St Julien about a month ago. Still very youthful and not heavy on oak

[Ken_McNamara]

@Scott Brunson

+1 on Bart and Bocquenet. Had the 02 Aux St Julien about a month ago. Still very youthful and not heavy on oak

Despite being told by many to try Bart I finally did this year. I could have owned them going back to about '05.

Near Charleston - you should go to the Charleston Grill and pick off one of the many hidden gems on that wine list!

[Scott_Brunson]

@Ken McNamara

@Scott Brunson

+1 on Bart and Bocquenet. Had the 02 Aux St Julien about a month ago. Still very youthful and not heavy on oak

Despite being told by many to try Bart I finally did this year. I could have owned them going back to about '05.

Near Charleston - you should go to the Charleston Grill and pick off one of the many hidden gems on that wine list!

yep
great place
Former chef was quite the Francophile (trained just outside Beaune!)

[Doug_Lee]

Rapet
Francois et Denis Clair
Violot-Guillemard
Aleth Girardin
Lafouge

[Efrain_Rodriguez]

@Keith Levenberg

@craig vanderah

Yes, I’m not sure how to define it myself but certainly the price is factor. But then I should have ask who is the best value I guess. I just noticed that in spite of the great press D’Angerville consistently gets, the wines tend to sell for less and sit on shelves longer than say Mugnier, Rousseau, Roumier, and Dujac.

Probably all four of those are much easier to drink young and at intermediate stages in their evolution than Angerville’s wines. Also, all four are Cote de Nuits producers - always pricier than Cote de Beaune.

I think it’s hard to call Angerville underrated. Even in Volnay I’d be more inclined to give the title to Pousse d’Or, which never seems to get the respect of either Angerville or Lafarge.

Buying through the London market, there is no way that Angerville is underrated. Sure it’s easier to get than Lafarge but Angerville is top level for Volnay.

Pousse d’Or is a better example of an underrated wine from Volnay that offers top level quality at better accessible prices.

Look, if you don’t know what to buy other than the obvious, look to some top rated wines from Burghound or Tanzer (possibly Galloni) that aren’t as popular such as Dublere and Courcel and the Boillots, Bouchards, etc.

[Gabriel_Herrmann]

Tollot-Beaut
Chandon de Briailles

[JasonE]

@Jim Anderson

Yeah, d’Angerville is far from under-rated and even further from being most under-rated.

I think you need some combination of lack of recognition (primarily in America I guess although perhaps that is a bit xenophobic), good to excellent holdings (clearly you can’t have the best holdings for the most part as you would have a hard time being under-rated), decent-ish pricing and at least some sort of history.

I could see Domaine Newman falling into this category. Barely any U.S. distribution, holdings in Bonnes Mares that are good, holdings in Mazi that are excellent, Beaune Greves and a few other places. Very small production across the board. Wines aren’t the top of the heap but they’re pretty damn good. Perhaps he falls more into “unknown” than “under-rated” but he is certainly closer to under-rated than d’Angerville is.

I agree with the Newman recommendation. When you can find them, it’s hard to beat the QPR of the Bonnes Mares and Mazi. Here in New Orleans, they are somewhat easy to come by, both in retail and in restaurants.

[Frank_H_Herfjord]

Angerville consistently gets high ratings so it can’t be overrated. Far too high in my opinion.

I think Denis Mortet are underrated if not outright incorrectly rated. I’m puzzled by how the wines rarely achieve very high scores and get notes of “charred, oaky, overripe” etc. Because whoever writes this stuff can’t have been tasting the same wines as me! I have a feeling that a bad reputation from older vintages still sort of lingers even though the wines have greatly improved.

The strange thing is that they are still pretty expensive, so I guess I’m not the only one buying them even though they rarely get rave reviews.

[Guillaume_Deschamps]

My take for underrated producer would be quite a few of the great, generally unheralded producers of the Mâconnais.

[Richard_T_r_i_m_p_i]

Marechal
David Clark
Fougeray de Beauclair
Jean Marc Millot

Recently saw a fair amount of Dublere at some of the better shops in Rome.

RT

[Nathan_Smyth]

@Frank H Herfjord

I think Denis Mortet are underrated if not outright incorrectly rated. I’m puzzled by how the wines rarely achieve very high scores and get notes of “charred, oaky, overripe” etc. Because whoever writes this stuff can’t have been tasting the same wines as me! I have a feeling that a bad reputation from older vintages still sort of lingers even though the wines have greatly improved.

???

Per-Henrik Mansson used to love those Denis Mortet wines.