I found it underwhelming in the extreme.
The best reds for me at the grand tasting were the guilbert gillet reds and the vogue musigny.
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It will cause you dearly… 
That is the mystery for burgundy red - as it is made at least 90% PN.
Un-like Bordeaux…with 4 kinds of grapes.
That’s ok, I’m loading up on both 22-23; most improved domaine in burgundy.
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Agree whole-heatedly. Yields will be naturally low for vintage 2024 and/or 2025. Getting Musigny 22-23 from other producers ??
From some unknown reasons, I never have enough patience to wait for Drouhin’s Moose to come around.
Nope just vogue.
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I just finished checking wine-searcher. Prices for Vogue v.v. 2022 and 2023…are so reasonable that I would call it : a steal.
Wise choice indeed…!!
Thanks for sharing your impressions. I have enjoyed the recent vintages, as well. Most recent btl was 22 Coeur du Roy which was excellent pop and pour. Spicy red berry, floral and incense aromatics spoke to me.
But because of the reputation for needing time, I have been cautious of buying new vintage releases in full. I’m not sure if that’s fair and have been meaning to dig in some more. I have a Dugat-Py tasting dinner with Loic in a couple weeks and will report back on takeaways.
Thanks for your message. Claude Dugat and Dugat-Py are 2 very popular Gevrey based producers in Quebec, Canada.
Sadly recently SAQ are only able to release C.Dugat’s 2 simple red : Gevrey and Bourg. and they are usual on lottery. We used to have his high-end wine for example Charmes. Luckily and recently SAQ are able replace hem - 1er and Charmes by his negoc. wines - La Gibryotte at around 2 ( domaine ) for 3 ( negoc ) price-ratio. I love the La Gibryotte. Period - it carries the same style - which is the opposite to Dugat-Py.
I posted the above FYI only; and hope you will have better lucky to source Dugat-Py Chambertin for the following reasons 
Here is a text written by J. Morris ( page 249 ) :
***** The Domaine farms a tiny plot of nearly-centenarian vines near the top of Le Chambertin, thought there is not always enough for a full barrel… So after the harvest they calculate the crop, subtract a margin fir topping-up needs, then ask F.Freres to build them a cask of the exact size to hold what remains.
It is an incredibly sumptuous wine, with flavors tumbling over themselves on the palate, yet each of the highest classes. This Chambertin manages to balance discretion and majesty at the same time.I have only tasted it in cask, but it must be extraordinary at full maturity in bottle.
May God bless…
Interesting you bring up Gibryotte in context of Claude Dugat. I tried several bottles of 09 and 10 Charmes as they were attractively priced (less so for recent vintages, I think). I found them reasonably pleasant. I don’t think they carry the winemaking touch of the domaine wines.
I have a bottle each of 05, 17, 18, 19 Dugat Py Chambertin. Thinking about doing the 17 together with Rousseau at a certain point while the others sit around longer.
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You are very lucky to own Dugat-Py Chambertin. Please post if you will match Rousseau Chambertin with Dugat-Py as they will be 10 in a few months. My guess is…they will be wonderful in each of their own style. BUT…I believe Dugat-Py will be a wine for contemplation and Rousseau will be a wine ** for every-one *** including MChang.
I did some pair tastings of La Gibryotte and C.Dugat bourgogne and Gevrey at many of my own wine-events. We were not able to identify correctly when young…but with bottle-age, they showed : prices will tell !!
Thanks for the conversations.
BTW - I am a died-heart Gevrey’s wine lover. From my extensive experience, my preferred village wine from Gevrey, is Dugat-Py C-deRoy; and then Trapet - Ostrea ( no luck to source his 1859 ) and Damoy Clos Tamisot,
I would say that’s probably true of the other 1er crus, though how true that is of the other grand crus is debateable. Certainly the quality of the Clos de la Roche has increased, which I think is a wonderful introduction into the Rousseau portfolio. It’s much more Rousseau than Clos de la Roche, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. (I’ve heard Cyrielle argue that given the geology/terroir involved, Clos de la Roche isn’t really that different than the Gevrey plots close to it, though I’m not sure I’m convinced :))
There are some in Burgundy who certainly feel that way, yes. In particular, while Rousseau has alwasy had some issues with brett (notably the 1995s), some of the recent vintages can show quite a bit of brett, depending how sensitive you are. I see no basis for stating the recent vintages are “the best ever” without a sufficient time horizon.
Your incredibly lucky that you have his Chambertin. Have fun with your dinner with Loic, I’m meeting him in roughly Januari/Februari for the tasting of his 2025 wines.
Mentioned I’d come back to share impressions from a tasting dinner of Dugat Py wines, mostly from Loic, with a couple Bernard wines thrown in.
Loic is making excellent wines, across both white and red. The 2022 CC was impressive - precise, minerally, long and penetrating. 2023 Morgeot was more forward, broader and softer. From the Francemont lieux-dit.
2017 Fonteny was pretty, expressive, and transparent, though a lightweight relative to the others. 2022 Charmes had a charming fruit and floral bouquet, full-bodied with fine acid, very much approachable now with lots more to give, most favored today besides the Chambertin. 2018 Mazis was reserved, hinting at what it will have to offer, today showing lots of minerality with wild berry fruit, intense and energetic. Impressive balance for any vintage let alone 2018. None of these wines hint at being heavy-handed or extracted - rather the opposite, they are refined.
The 2005 Lavaux was very different, black fruity with a savory touch, brooding and structured. Based on experiences with 2005, could be a lot to with that vintage especially because the next wine was also from a ripe vintage made by Bernard, but quite different too.
2009 Chambertin was a clear step up from everything. A lot going on. Strong red and dark fruit, framed by graphite, menthol, smoke, florals. Feel the whole cluster effect here. Dense and layered, with a fresh long and finish. Different style than today, not at all overdone and really very enjoyable.
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Amazing, I’m opening a CC 2022 next year. Question, have you also had the 2023 charmes? I’m questioning which one to buy?
Anyone have any idea if 2017 GC ‘Coeur du Roy’ TVV will be ready any time soon?
It should be, it’s only a village wine. Also 2017 is a relatively open year.
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Definitely yes. 2017 is a soft vintage. Must open one asap. Hope you own 14 bottles. It is his best of his many entry-level reds. It is his best village wine in my view.
Sadly I only have 1 bottle of his 2019 left. As I opened them fast…
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I haven’t had the 23 Charmes yet, so couldn’t give the direct comparison. Maybe will in the next several weeks, if so will let you know
I should add that these wines were given at least 5+ hours of bottle breathing before I tasted them.
I wouldn’t be scared to open 17 Coeur du Roy soon.
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