Fun stuff! These kinds of questions posed in different settings will produce different answers for different people. Loaded statement - I know! Let’s just say that we’re all trying to judge the worthiness of a hype’d wine in a setting of a pre-set dinner vs. a casual meeting between friends with a blinded bottle of wine. This sort of difference seems to intertwined in all of our reports in this thread so maybe it’s worth contemplating? Are you a person that is a planner in life and in wine or are you a personality type that would rip a cork of a La Tache bottle (place in a bag) on a Tuesday night with a friend. There are so many in-between scenarios I know so don’t criticize . Either way, the setting can and does factor into ones expectations (and maybe who you’d want to share wine with :p) that a otherwise sound wine will either under or over perform. I personally have fun with both setting scenarios but find that I like the formal planned settings the most - especially when trying to maximize the possibility that a wine will outperform my expectations…
Mine, too, Greg. The St Julien wines are generally amazing, including Meyney as like the best QPR ever. I stopped buying Ducru all the way up until the 2014 vintage because of its failure rate from the 1980s, and in particular, successive bad bottles of the 86 that I had. Mouton is spectacular.
I’ve not had the 86 Mouton - some day. But I’ve had a number of 86s with a good friend who loves Bordeaux (and St. Julien in particular), and other than LLC (which I find to be consistently overrated) it’s been a phenomenal vintage. I still have a number of recorked 86 Ducru in the wine fridge, if you ever make it up to NYC after all this pandemic nonsense*
*Though you’re in Florida - I’m sure you’re typing this from a public beach!
Three wines that are worth the hype (and for me rise above all others in their regions).
Ch Rayas: just such a beautiful expression of red fruited Grenache glory both profound and elegant. For me closer to a great burgundy GC that any other CNDP I have tasted.
Clos Rougeard: enough said and sadly only a few bottles in the cellar. Fabulous wines and the best Cab Franc in the world
Soldera Case Base Brunello: in a tasting with Monfortino and Giacosa Red Labels, this was the WOTN. I never knew Brunello and Sangiovese could be this good - mind blowingly good.
Not with the hype
Yquem with less than 35 years from vintage - like other have noted. I have always been underwhelmed by young Yquem
Penfolds Grange with less than 30+ years from vintage (and most vintages post 1990).
Salon champagne. I was lucky enough to have had it several times per vintage in the past 10 years. While I did think on multiple occasions that it was impressive, and probably the best champagne out there, it did not warrant the hype and the price. A good vintage of Taittinger CdC bdb is gives me almost equal joy for 1/4 the price. A good vintage of Dom is also almost there.
Krug NV. This is another one I don’t get. Yes, it’s good, but it is not that good. I rather take LPGS for almost half off. Now, with the aggressive coupon from wine.com where Krug NV is cheaper, then it makes more sense.
Krug vintage. Meh. Worse than Salon but approaching salon price.
Haut Brion. What I had was good, but wow, is it worth that much more than Montrose or Pichon Baron.
Opus One. Maybe worth the hype if it is half off.
Non-hype:
With price in mind, I was too late for all things and by the time I get there, the price doesn’t warrant the hype anymore.