KFC buffet

[CFu]

@Matt Shaffer

@Tom.Cole

Name a better fast food chain menu that provides the calories, phytochemicals, and roughage that KFC provides for the working poor at their buffet for a better price. If you cannot, end of story. If your advice is to cook at home, no argument. I have been doing it for decades. I also know folks who cannot do this. Given a choice between McDonald’s, In and Out, Burger King, etc., KFC buffet is a no brainer. I am absolutely amazed that folks would dispute this, but I guess folks get their dander up regardless of the facts.

Chipotle. And one can easily overdo it there, too. But, I think they have the best value, taste, and nutrition of the fast foods.

Man chipotle is not healthy at all. Unless you just do chicken,salsa and lettuce. I do enjoy it tho

[CFu]

@D. Walker

KFC’s nutritional guide (these things always fascinate me) (available here: http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_nutrition.pdf) says that:

1. A meal consisting of a “grilled” chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, and one serving of green beans would have a modest calorie count of 350, a very reasonable saturate fat count of 3 g, a respectable 37 g of protein, and a ludicrous 1280 mgs of sodium. Except for the sodium, a decent meal.

2. A meal consisting of one original recipe chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, one serving of mac and cheese, and one biscuit would have 820 calories, 14.5 g of saturated fat (!), 45 g of protein, and 2860 mgs of sodium.

Those meals are with only 1 piece of chicken each and whatever they are considering one serving each of the sides. Double the size of the sides, or add another piece of chicken, and the numbers get scary. Those sodium numbers are already scary.

Moreover, as to the other “nutrients” being speculated about (e.g., phytochemicals), I suspect that KFC’s beans, greens etc have been boiled to death, shot up with way too many preservatives, and are extremely high in sodium, but none of that info is available on the nutritional facts page.

Good to know. Now I will not get mashed potatoes, biscuits and Mac and cheese and just get more chicken

[Tom.Cole]

@Mark.Ricca

@Tom.Cole

@Bob Wood

Wow.

Care to respond to my post point by point, or is this your typically clever response that fails to address the substantial issues? Here are the facts. A doctor on this board decided to rip one of the best and healthiest fast food meals available to most of the working poor - the facts speak for themselves if one is so inclined to do a comparison of calories and nutrients delivered, but I doubt anyone, particularly you Mr. Wood, is willing to do the homework.

You toss around adjectives like they were facts. How about you doing some homework and backing up your claims with some nutritional analysis? Glenn Levine is a well respected member of this board who does back up his claims. You would do well to follow his example.

I toss around nothing. Dr. Levine provides no evidence as to what constitutes the best nutritional value for fast food. He claims, rightly so, that home cooking provides the best nutritional value bang for the buck. Absolutely no dispute here. Indeed, I said that I have a vegetable garden that I eat from that is far superior to anything I would find in most fast food restaurants.

That said, I am very familiar with folks who do not have access to their own vegetable garden, but rely instead on fast food to provide most of their caloric intake. Again, name a fast food restaurant that offers more nutritional bang for the buck. Mr. French is the only one so far who has offered an alternative, and he may actually be correct. If so, he has provided evidence for only one fast food chain that provides a better nutritional meal than the KFC buffet.

[Matt_Shaffer]

Todd, most of your post is correct, though technically one could drink the cooking liquid from the vegetables to recover some of the lost ingredients.

As far as your submarine sandwich goes, I can’t see how eating a foot-long loaf of bread, possibly lined with “vegetable” oil mayo will help one’s nutritional intake any more than taking down a mound of mashed potatoes with gravy.

[Matt_Shaffer]

@Tom.Cole

@Mark.Ricca

@Tom.Cole

Care to respond to my post point by point, or is this your typically clever response that fails to address the substantial issues? Here are the facts. A doctor on this board decided to rip one of the best and healthiest fast food meals available to most of the working poor - the facts speak for themselves if one is so inclined to do a comparison of calories and nutrients delivered, but I doubt anyone, particularly you Mr. Wood, is willing to do the homework.

You toss around adjectives like they were facts. How about you doing some homework and backing up your claims with some nutritional analysis? Glenn Levine is a well respected member of this board who does back up his claims. You would do well to follow his example.

I toss around nothing. Dr. Levine provides no evidence as to what constitutes the best nutritional value for fast food. He claims, rightly so, that home cooking provides the best nutritional value bang for the buck. Absolutely no dispute here. Indeed, I said that I have a vegetable garden that I eat from that is far superior to anything I would find in most fast food restaurants.

That said, I am very familiar with folks who do not have access to their own vegetable garden, but rely instead on fast food to provide most of their caloric intake. Again, name a fast food restaurant that offers more nutritional bang for the buck. Mr. French is the only one so far who has offered an alternative.

You need to look up a few posts.

[JKim]

@Charlie Fu

@D. Walker

KFC’s nutritional guide (these things always fascinate me) (available here: http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_nutrition.pdf) says that:

1. A meal consisting of a “grilled” chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, and one serving of green beans would have a modest calorie count of 350, a very reasonable saturate fat count of 3 g, a respectable 37 g of protein, and a ludicrous 1280 mgs of sodium. Except for the sodium, a decent meal.

2. A meal consisting of one original recipe chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, one serving of mac and cheese, and one biscuit would have 820 calories, 14.5 g of saturated fat (!), 45 g of protein, and 2860 mgs of sodium.

Those meals are with only 1 piece of chicken each and whatever they are considering one serving each of the sides. Double the size of the sides, or add another piece of chicken, and the numbers get scary. Those sodium numbers are already scary.

Moreover, as to the other “nutrients” being speculated about (e.g., phytochemicals), I suspect that KFC’s beans, greens etc have been boiled to death, shot up with way too many preservatives, and are extremely high in sodium, but none of that info is available on the nutritional facts page.

Good to know. Now I will not get mashed potatoes, biscuits and Mac and cheese and just get more chicken

I can’t eat the chicken without mashed potatoes, Mac n cheese and cole slaw.

William Wallace from Braveheart: “Every man dies, not every man really lives.”

[ToddFrench]

@Matt Shaffer

Todd, most of your post is correct, though technically one could drink the cooking liquid from the vegetables to recover some of the lost ingredients.

As far as your submarine sandwich goes, I can’t see how eating a foot-long loaf of bread, possibly lined with “vegetable” oil mayo will help one’s nutritional intake any more than taking down a mound of mashed potatoes with gravy.

Agreed, but I have no interest in vegetable oil mayo - I’m a mustard or oil/vinegar guy myself. I also don’t do subs anymore - not doing bread much lately, as the glycemic index is off the charts, and it tricks insulin levels. Bread is bad, for me. I was just giving a healthier example.

[ToddFrench]

@Tom.Cole

@Mark.Ricca

@Tom.Cole

Care to respond to my post point by point, or is this your typically clever response that fails to address the substantial issues? Here are the facts. A doctor on this board decided to rip one of the best and healthiest fast food meals available to most of the working poor - the facts speak for themselves if one is so inclined to do a comparison of calories and nutrients delivered, but I doubt anyone, particularly you Mr. Wood, is willing to do the homework.

You toss around adjectives like they were facts. How about you doing some homework and backing up your claims with some nutritional analysis? Glenn Levine is a well respected member of this board who does back up his claims. You would do well to follow his example.

I toss around nothing. Dr. Levine provides no evidence as to what constitutes the best nutritional value for fast food. He claims, rightly so, that home cooking provides the best nutritional value bang for the buck. Absolutely no dispute here. Indeed, I said that I have a vegetable garden that I eat from that is far superior to anything I would find in most fast food restaurants.

That said, I am very familiar with folks who do not have access to their own vegetable garden, but rely instead on fast food to provide most of their caloric intake. Again, name a fast food restaurant that offers more nutritional bang for the buck. Mr. French is the only one so far who has offered an alternative, and he may actually be correct. If so, he has provided evidence for only one fast food chain that provides a better nutritional meal than the KFC buffet.

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

[Matt_Shaffer]

I’ll be first.

[Tom.Cole]

@Todd F r e n c h

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

[Brian_Tuite]

KFC Nutritional Value

According to the above chart. KFC does not broil chicken. They do offer grilled chicken.
Grilled Breast - Calories = 210, Fat = 8 grams, Sodium = 460mgs, Cholesterol = 105mgs
Cole Slaw - Calories = 180, Fat = 10 grams, Sodium = 150mgs, Cholesterl = 5mgs
Baked Beans - Calories = 210, Fat = 1.5 grams, Sodium = 780mgs, Cholesterol = 0mgs
Green Beans - Calories = 20, Fat = 0 grams, Sodium = 290mgs, Cholesterol = 0mgs
Cornbread Muffin - Calories = 210, 9 grams, Sodium = 240mgs, Cholesterol = 35mgs

830 cals, 28.5 grams fat, 1870 mgs sodium, 145 mgs cholesterol X number of servings eaten, $7

The only greens they list are in the cole slaw and the only beans they list are green or baked. Enough sodium in one serving of the above to equal your daily allowance if you are on a normal diet. People who are obese/overweight/or are on sodium restricted diets would never be able to “healhily” eat at KFC. Besides that you’ll see most everyone eating the much higher fat Original Recipe chicken which is real popular in those “Working Poor” households.

Subway Nutritional Chart
Subway is much lower in fat but almost as high in sodium. I chose their most nutritious foot long as that’s how you chose KFC’s menu.
Foot Long Oven Roasted Chicken Sandwich - Calories = 640, Fat = 10 grams, Sodium = 1290, Cholesterol = 45mgs - $5
Most people cannot eat a whole footlong sandwich in one sitting unless of course they frequent buffets.

You mention “all you can eat” which means people are not eating 1pc of chicken or one serving of a side. They are gorging themselves which is what people do at buffets. One of the worst I can think of is “Fresh Choice”. Great name for a restaurant where everyone dining there is obese. They start you with healthy salad (which is single serving) then pump you up with pasta, pizza, bread, baked potatoes, desserts and all kinds of other unhealthy things that are all you can stuff down your pie hole.

There’s nothing healthy about “all you can eat”. Nice job of trying to put the public service spin of them taking care of the working poor. Yeah right. Make them fat and unhealthy so they won’t move up the food chain and take our jobs. Uh huh.

Funny thread.

[Bob_Wood]

@Tom.Cole

@Todd F r e n c h

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

[Brian_Tuite]

@Tom.Cole

@Todd F r e n c h

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

Look up to the photo Tom, or should I say Eric Levine?

[Tom.Cole]

@D. Walker

KFC’s nutritional guide (these things always fascinate me) (available here: http://www.kfc.com/nutrition/pdf/kfc_nutrition.pdf) says that:

1. A meal consisting of a “grilled” chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, and one serving of green beans would have a modest calorie count of 350, a very reasonable saturate fat count of 3 g, a respectable 37 g of protein, and a ludicrous 1280 mgs of sodium. Except for the sodium, a decent meal.

2. A meal consisting of one original recipe chicken breast, one serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, one serving of mac and cheese, and one biscuit would have 820 calories, 14.5 g of saturated fat (!), 45 g of protein, and 2860 mgs of sodium.

Those meals are with only 1 piece of chicken each and whatever they are considering one serving each of the sides. Double the size of the sides, or add another piece of chicken, and the numbers get scary. Those sodium numbers are already scary.

Moreover, as to the other “nutrients” being speculated about (e.g., phytochemicals), I suspect that KFC’s beans, greens etc have been boiled to death, shot up with way too many preservatives, and are extremely high in sodium, but none of that info is available on the nutritional facts page.

Selective choice of the available food nutrition facts. Greens, mustard greens in particular, are, by definition, full of phytochemicals. Otherwise, they would not be green. Their “greenness” is what provides the phytochemicals, just as the “blueness” of blueberries, the “orangeness” of carrots, etc., provides the phytochemicals according to their color. Basic fact.

Beans are not considered to be primary souces of phytochemicals, so I am not sure where your argument for overcooking lies. The health benefits of beans are in the protein and roughage they contain, which cannot be diminshed by long cooking.

Leave out the mashed potatoes, clearly a good choice (they are not that good to begin with, as mentioned previously), and substitute mustard greens, green beans, cole slaw, black eyed peas, red beans,etc., and I would defy anyone to say this is not an incredibly healthy meal compared to the rest of the fast food venues available. If one disagrees, provide some facts to back up your assertions.

You suspect. I suspect otherwise. Provide some facts. Otherwise, who is to say what is right?

[Brian_Tuite]

@Bob Wood

@Tom.Cole

@Todd F r e n c h

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

Is the answer Bread Box Regis?

[Matt_Shaffer]

Actually Tom care to comment on the lectin content of said beans? Maybe not quite a healthy as you presume, though I agree with you completely on the chicken and greens.

[Tom.Cole]

@Brian Tuite

KFC Nutritional Value

According to the above chart. KFC does not broil chicken. They do offer grilled chicken.
Grilled Breast - Calories = 210, Fat = 8 grams, Sodium = 460mgs, Cholesterol = 105mgs
Cole Slaw - Calories = 180, Fat = 10 grams, Sodium = 150mgs, Cholesterl = 5mgs
Baked Beans - Calories = 210, Fat = 1.5 grams, Sodium = 780mgs, Cholesterol = 0mgs
Green Beans - Calories = 20, Fat = 0 grams, Sodium = 290mgs, Cholesterol = 0mgs
Cornbread Muffin - Calories = 210, 9 grams, Sodium = 240mgs, Cholesterol = 35mgs

830 cals, 28.5 grams fat, 1870 mgs sodium, 145 mgs cholesterol X number of servings eaten, $7

The only greens they list are in the cole slaw and the only beans they list are green or baked. Enough sodium in one serving of the above to equal your daily allowance if you are on a normal diet. People who are obese/overweight/or are on sodium restricted diets would never be able to “healhily” eat at KFC. Besides that you’ll see most everyone eating the much higher fat Original Recipe chicken which is real popular in those “Working Poor” households.

Subway Nutritional Chart
Subway is much lower in fat but almost as high in sodium. I chose their most nutritious foot long as that’s how you chose KFC’s menu.
Foot Long Oven Roasted Chicken Sandwich - Calories = 640, Fat = 10 grams, Sodium = 1290, Cholesterol = 45mgs - $5
Most people cannot eat a whole footlong sandwich in one sitting unless of course they frequent buffets.

You mention “all you can eat” which means people are not eating 1pc of chicken or one serving of a side. They are gorging themselves which is what people do at buffets. One of the worst I can think of is “Fresh Choice”. Great name for a restaurant where everyone dining there is obese. They start you with healthy salad (which is single serving) then pump you up with pasta, pizza, bread, baked potatoes, desserts and all kinds of other unhealthy things that are all you can stuff down your pie hole.

There’s nothing healthy about “all you can eat”. Nice job of trying to put the public service spin of them taking care of the working poor. Yeah right. Make them fat and unhealthy so they won’t move up the food chain and take our jobs. Uh huh.

Funny thread.

Selective choice on your part, Include butter beans, black eyed peas, mustard greens, cole slaw, salads, etc. in your nutrional analyses. I assume you think one can actually choose between the available items if one decides to eat healthy at a low cost. Again, what other fast food restaurant offers more of a choice for healthy food alternatives - In and Out, McDonalds, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Taco Bell, Arby’s, Church’s, Chick Fil A, etc., etc., etc.

Again, Mr. French is the only person posting on this thread who has proferred up an alternative.

I do not want to get into an argument about the working poor. I will say this. I suspect that I have much more experience than most on this board with the working poor, including those that do not have the wherewithal to cook their meals at home. I could be wrong, but I suspect not.

[JKim]

@Bob Wood

@Tom.Cole

@Todd F r e n c h

Oh great, now my dad’s here?

[Matt_Shaffer]

For the third time:

[Brian_Tuite]

@Tom.Cole

Selective choice on your part, Include butter beans, black eyed peas, mustard greens, cole slaw, salads, etc. in your nutrional analyses. I assume you think one can actually choose between the available items if one decides to eat healthy at a low cost

I could only provide info that KFC provides. I have never seen bitter greens or black eyed peas at KFC must be a regional thing. they surely dn’t list them in their nutritional guide.

Why in the hell do you think poor people cannot cook? Very weak assumption. Lazy people don’t cook, but can cook. Anyone can eat much more economically if they prepare their own meals.