Is this orange wine ORANGE?

[Claus_Jeppesen]

Thanks a lot for enlightening me on this phenomenon

[Michae1_P0wers]

Thanks Otto
Never saw this color in a young (8 year old) wine from Huet, Foreau Domaine du Clos Naudin, Chidaine, Baumard, etc

There have been massive premox problems reported in Chidaine’s 2014s. Although, I’d differentiate that from what Otto is talking about here because (a) Chidaine’s 2014s, at least a good number of them, appear to be flawed and actually premoxed; and (b) they showed extremely oxidized scents and flavors rather than merely a deep color, and showed those characteristics very early on in their evolutions.

[Otto_Forsberg]

Thanks Otto
Never saw this color in a young (8 year old) wine from Huet, Foreau Domaine du Clos Naudin, Chidaine, Baumard, etc

There have been massive premox problems reported in Chidaine’s 2014s. Although, I’d differentiate that from what Otto is talking about here because (a) Chidaine’s 2014s, at least a good number of them, appear to be flawed and actually premoxed; and (b) they showed extremely oxidized scents and flavors rather than merely a deep color, and showed those characteristics very early on in their evolutions.

Yup, that sounds more like good old premox, not just oxidative style / developed coppery color.

[Paul_Miller]

I guess you know the joke, but this wine was extremely fresh and typical for Savennieres. No oxidation at all

There’'s obviously something I do not understand. If the wines was fresh what does “dead st retail” mean?

It’s a running gag from a silly Burgundy thread started by Alan Eden a week or two ago.

Orange wines are so dead at retail they are zombies.

[kyledorsey]

It looks like your bottle is substantially advanced for its youth. I opened a '99 today and it is a brilliant but deep yellow.

[Claus_Jeppesen]

It looks like your bottle is substantially advanced for its youth. I opened a '99 today and it is a brilliant but deep yellow.

Nothing to do with advancement. The wine was spectacular as noted above
I have recently opened a 1988 and a 2000, both were as pale as yours

[Steve_Slatcher]

There’s obviously something I do not understand. If the wines was fresh what does “dead at retail” mean?

It’s a running gag from a silly Burgundy thread started by Alan Eden a week or two ago.

Thanks Otto. Next time I reply, I’ll make sure I make sure I am up-to-date with running gags in other threads

[Otto_Forsberg]

There’s obviously something I do not understand. If the wines was fresh what does “dead at retail” mean?

It’s a running gag from a silly Burgundy thread started by Alan Eden a week or two ago.

Thanks Otto. Next time I reply, I’ll make sure I make sure I am up-to-date with running gags in other threads

Never hurts to be updated of the most recent adventures of the incomparable Mr Eden.