I need to buy more Joseph Drouhin

[Jay_Miller]

@Ken McNamara

Sadly '05 was the last year they had great qpr on the tops wines in their portfolio, but there is still value.

And then only if you bought early pre-arrival offers. By the time they hit the shelves in the US the upper level grand crus were 3x the 2004 prices.

[Nick_Ryan]

@Peter Chiu

I prefer to buy wines from producers who own and farm the land.

Unless I have no choice, why should I buy negoc wines from Drouhin ( except perhaps Drouhin’s Montrachet ) ?

Peter, you usually seem like a reasonable guy but this I just cannot fathom. As long as the wines taste great, and the winemaker is not obviously a Dr. Evil who enslaves his growers, or uses evil chemical additives, or sells exclusively to rappers, then… who cares? There is nobody hurting for cash in Burgundy these days, neither growers nor buyers.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Nick Ryan

@Peter Chiu

I prefer to buy wines from producers who own and farm the land.

Unless I have no choice, why should I buy negoc wines from Drouhin ( except perhaps Drouhin’s Montrachet ) ?

Peter, you usually seem like a reasonable guy but this I just cannot fathom. As long as the wines taste great, and the winemaker is not obviously a Dr. Evil who enslaves his growers, or uses evil chemical additives, or sells exclusively to rappers, then… who cares? There is nobody hurting for cash in Burgundy these days, neither growers nor buyers.

Nick…I was trying to have some fun ( with Tom - please note my remarks re Drouhin’s Montrachet - which officially is a negoc wine ).

My comments re …** I prefer to buy wines from producers who own and farm the land ***…should apply to small growers and producers - for example, land-owners in S-L-Beaune, P-Verg, Marsannay and Mercurey…etc…etc…

Honestly, I do not know by heart which wines from Drouhin are demaine ( and which are negoc ).

Please remember our friend Ray who needs our support.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Alex Gillette

@Peter Chiu

I prefer to buy wines from producers who own and farm the land.

Interesting. So no Jayer Cros Parantoux for you because the vines were entrusted to him by Meo? None of the Leroy wines prior to 1988?
A

Hmmmm…Alex.

Tough question to answer. I have no chance ( or luck ) to buy a Cros Parantoux from any vintage year. Same for Leroy wines prior to 1988. There was an importer of Domaine Leroy wines for vintage 1994 to 1996 to Quebec, Canada and then it was closed.

Please remember I live in Quebec, Canada where Government has control for importation of wines.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Jay Miller

@Peter Chiu

I prefer to buy wines from producers who own and farm the land.

Unless I have no choice, why should I buy negoc wines from Drouhin ( except perhaps Drouhin’s Montrachet ) ?

Then just buy their Domaine bottlings. Though some of the negociant bottlings are top notch (others I’m less fond of).

I am willing to learn as I am passionate about Burgundy wines. May I have a hint of the following ? : *****Though some of the negociant bottlings are top notch *****

[Leah_Amir]

@Ken McNamara

@Leah Amir

Love me some Drouhin and I think their most overlooked wines are the Clos St. Denis/Clos Vougeot. Their best value wine has got to be their Cote de Nuits Villages which always drinks well on release. All of their Chambolle wines are superb especially Amoureuses… Yum!

Of the big negociant / domaines I prefer Drouhin so much more than Jadot, Faiveley and Bouchard. Their Clos de Vougeot and Clos St. Denis are very much overlooked. We have had the '01 CdV twice in the last year and it is outstanding. I would add both the Grands Echezeaux and Griotte too to as under the radar.

For roughly $29 a bottle the Cote de Beaune [not to be confused with their Cote de Beaune-Villages labeling] is hard to beat, contains declassified Mouches in it. The wines were a little off after '05 when Laurence Jobard retired [now at Domaine Billard], but they are really returning to their former glory. Sadly '05 was the last year they had great qpr on the tops wines in their portfolio, but there is still value.

The wine I would like to acquire is the '05 Mouches that was made on the press from the 1600’s. I do not think it is going to be released until 2015 and will have both blanc and rogue in a wooden case.

Great info Ken… I will have to keep my eyes out for the Cote de Beaune bottling. The 2005 Clos de Vougeot I had recently was also outstanding and open for drinking.

[Tom_Blach]

The Mouches used to go into the Beaune 1er cru, a lovely wine that I haven’t seen for a while.

[MitchTallan]

@Ken McNamara

@Leah Amir

Love me some Drouhin and I think their most overlooked wines are the Clos St. Denis/Clos Vougeot. Their best value wine has got to be their Cote de Nuits Villages which always drinks well on release. All of their Chambolle wines are superb especially Amoureuses… Yum!

Of the big negociant / domaines I prefer Drouhin so much more than Jadot, Faiveley and Bouchard. Their Clos de Vougeot and Clos St. Denis are very much overlooked. We have had the '01 CdV twice in the last year and it is outstanding. I would add both the Grands Echezeaux and Griotte too to as under the radar.

For roughly $29 a bottle the Cote de Beaune [not to be confused with their Cote de Beaune-Villages labeling] is hard to beat, contains declassified Mouches in it. The wines were a little off after '05 when Laurence Jobard retired [now at Domaine Billard], but they are really returning to their former glory. Sadly '05 was the last year they had great qpr on the tops wines in their portfolio, but there is still value.

The wine I would like to acquire is the '05 Mouches that was made on the press from the 1600’s. I do not think it is going to be released until 2015 and will have both blanc and rogue in a wooden case.

I am going to open the '09 Cote de Beaune (easily differentiated from the BV by the different label with traditional lettering) tonight. I will report back.

[Nigel_Bruce]

Peter,
Jasper Morris’ Inside Burgundy lists domaine holdings only, and on p. 312 you’ll see a very long list of wines owned and farmed etc. by Drouhin. Pre-arrange a visit next time you’re in Burgundy - they will give you a great tour, and discuss the differences between their Maison and Domaine operations. Sadly their website does not make this clear.
Nigel

[PeterH]

@Leah Amir

Love me some Drouhin and I think their most overlooked wines are the Clos St. Denis/Clos Vougeot. Their best value wine has got to be their Cote de Nuits Villages which always drinks well on release. All of their Chambolle wines are superb especially Amoureuses… Yum!

This is not exactly the top to the food/wine pyramid, but I greatly enjoyed one of these in the '09 vintage a couple of nights ago. Super deal at less than $20 per.


P Hickner

[Ray_Walker]

@Peter Chiu

Please remember our friend Ray who needs our support.

I actually don’t mind folks buying exclusively from domaines. There is a level of romanticism to the domaine system and how complete it is. Of course I admire those with their own vines.

[Ken_McNamara]

@Nigel Bruce

Peter,
Jasper Morris’ Inside Burgundy lists domaine holdings only, and on p. 312 you’ll see a very long list of wines owned and farmed etc. by Drouhin. Pre-arrange a visit next time you’re in Burgundy - they will give you a great tour, and discuss the differences between their Maison and Domaine operations. Sadly their website does not make this clear.
Nigel

Every Domaine bottle has “RECOLTE DU DOMAINE” or “PROPRIETES DE LA FAMILLE DROUHIN” on the label below “Joseph Drouhin” and above the AOC. If worse comes to worst you can always google the wine’s name and search for an image to see the label: click.

[Peter_Chiu]

@Nigel Bruce

Peter,
Jasper Morris’ Inside Burgundy lists domaine holdings only, and on p. 312 you’ll see a very long list of wines owned and farmed etc. by Drouhin. Pre-arrange a visit next time you’re in Burgundy - they will give you a great tour, and discuss the differences between their Maison and Domaine operations. Sadly their website does not make this clear.
Nigel

Nigel…thanks. I own Morris and will do some reading…

[Peter_Chiu]

@Ray Walker

@Peter Chiu

Please remember our friend Ray who needs our support.

I actually don’t mind folks buying exclusively from domaines. There is a level of romanticism to the domaine system and how complete it is. Of course I admire those with their own vines.

Ray…thanks for your message.

People buy wines for many reasons. Wish I have a chance to buy yours but living in Canada it is not easy…

Of course I admire those with their own vines.

With you devotion…it will not be long.