On Miele, I have used the regular wash cycle and just the normal Costco bulk pods that we always buy (and the name of which is escaping me). Ah, cascade! I have the miele ones as well. But on the lower rack, with nothing too close, I have washed all manner of glassware with the normal cycle and the Cascade pods. They come out with no streaks or any other imperfections (which was always my challenge with hand washing).
I think the upper rack was the culprit somehow.
Have a LibertĆ© and a Cru, theyāre my go to for champagnes and burgs now over Zaltos. Iāve found them to be more forgiving and expressive than Zaltos.
1855 also is my go to. Makes a lot of my wines taste better in the 1855 than my other glass alternatives. Great product and Chris does an excellent job.
I have 1855s, crus, and zalto Bordeaux all from Chris. They are all great, but I tend to use the 1855s for all except sparkling, if nothing more than because of habit.
I canāt say enough good things about Chris and his glasses.
Iāve been using my 1855s for pretty much anything except champagne/sparkling as others have said. I also like the Liberte for sparkling, and have even tried red wines out of it to great benefitābut I mostly drink Napa Cab and Sonoma Zin and 1855s are great!
Love our Mieles and a big reason is the stemware holders, as well as the vase insert (pop up, tall A-shaped stem) that also works a treat for decanters.
The only thing that is perhaps better than the Grassl stems, is Chris and his customer service. The level of service is unparalleled, and like nothing I have ever experienced in the wine industry. The 1855ās and Liberteās are phenomenal, and the tasting/versatile glasses are perfect for casual / outdoor use.
Iāll go against the emerging grain and say I prefer the Mineralite over Liberte for sparkling wines. Donāt know if it matters, but I tend to let sparklers sit in my glass for quite some time, as I tend to like them best when much of the bead has dissipated.
Need more stems like I need a swift kick in the shin, but anxiously awaiting BD2k21 now!
+1000 and add the Cru to the mix. Could not have said it better!!!
Iām a Grassl adherent. I use the glasses in my tasting appointments and have gotten so many positive comments. Iām endorsing Grassl now as a business, so full disclosure - Iām a fan - and Chris Freemottās service is top notch. I highly recommend! I have some Cru glasses on the way after trying out a sample and taking time to really get into it. The 1855 glass got me first, but like with wine, all roads lead to Burgundyā¦ and I think the Cru glass too.
Mouth blown stems will always have their own unique quirks. And with that, some glasses will simply have flaws that show up under some circumstances. Itās why we have chosen a replacement program for odd glass failures (as opposed to, say, gravity).
A broken stem in a dishwasher is generally the result of
Big temp swings
Hitting something in the dishwasher, be it a dish, utensil, or the wash arms.
I actually pretty much abuse mine. I use the lower rack and set the bowl over tines and they lean at a 20-30 degree angle. Never lost one.
I have been dumb and placed them in the center of my lower rack and the upper wash arm decapitated 3, but that was an easy fix.
We have had restaurants run the stems hundreds of times in industrial machines and had no failures. And have had a restaurant disintegrate 6 in 20 seconds.
The difference? The rack. The surviving stems were placed in a rack 9.5ā tall so the entire stem was inside a supported column. The bags of glass were left in 5ā grids and their bases hanging out like the ringer inside a bell. Why that was considered a good idea is beyond me.
Hands are bad. Soap is slippery. Faucets, sinks, counter edges are all impact points. And, as noted above, the natural tendency to dry a stem is to rotate your hands in opposite directions like youād wring out a washcloth. Instant stemless!
If your glass kills itself; just reach out. Happy to help.
If your holding the stem and bowl while drying youāre doing in wrong, any glass would break. The crus are too narrow to dry by hand so I always dishwasher those.
Another great transaction with Chris for Grassl 1855.
I canāt say enough good things about the glasses and Chris. 1855 is my go to for everything red and chardonnay. I have some Crus but more 1855s, so even use 1855 for pinot noir and Chardonnay.
Decided to try Grassl decanter, anxious to see if they are as good at making decanters as they are glasses.
Thanks Chris!
Love our grassles. Hoping for a berserkerday offer so I can refresh my stock as weāve broken a bunch through general misuse. Never broken in the dishwasher (again, absent misuse/stupidity).
Same. Waiting for BD to pick up some 1855s and a couple more Liberte. Let us know about that decanter.
Decided to try Grassl decanter, anxious to see if they are as good at making decanters as they are glasses.
Thanks Chris!
Welcome sir. Report backā¦ The decanter tends to catch people off guardā¦in a good way. Our lines, Vigneron and Elemental, have a characteristic in their design I really appreciate. Height. Our lines are identical in height across the board. 23CM on the Vigneron and 21.4 on the elemental (but for the stemless glass).
The Vigneron decanter, which is what you bought, will likely catch you off guard by the weight.
Thanks for the continued support and endorsements. Iām confident I still donāt reply to all emails rapidly enough and for that Iām sorry. That will always be a battle until I can quit the day job and do this full time. Soā¦keep buying. LOL.
Chris
Has anyone used the Elemental Champagne glass (if, so how is it)? Will there be a Vigneron Champagne glass?
Just placed an order for two 1855 and a decanter. Combo price was pretty attractive. Iām excited to give them a swirl.