German Spatburgunder

Hi duco,

Rieslinghuis does the import for wasenhaus. Though they don’t do a lot of consumer any more (mostly restaurants). Best chance is to visit them at their shop in ‘zandvoort’.

I just contacted wasenhaus when I wanted to visit them and got included on the mailinglist by Alexander.

Babies are in. Trying to schedule a tasting next week.


Used to be my preferred Riesling source and I went well and beyond in terms of loyalty… after they reduced their webshop I sent emails without any replies to see if I could place an order. More emails and no reply, and eventually I even called and spoke with them but for one or another reason they did not care to sell any wines. A real shame because I think they really know wines and did a great job (DTC).


Yeah… had the same problems.

They are really nice guys but somehow the distribution (and information) to normal consumers got cut off suddenly.

Such a shame cause they gave a great portfolio (and had awesome tastings)

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If you only have one Bellen then don’t waste it by drinking it now. The difference between the wines becomes much clearer with a little age in my opinion.


I only ordered 1 Bellen to try but I hear you. I’ll try the Spät and Vulkan and bury the Bellen for a bit. I could get additional Bellen so that’s why I wanted to check in early. But I’ll base my judgement on the regular + Vulkan and decide if I should get more from that.

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At a bbq with non geeks.

Converted a French participant who doesn’t like ‘foreign wines’, he asked me where he can buy a case or two.


I mean, it’s kind of like convincing a Napa Cab hater they like Macdonald. What good does that do them?

You guys need to stop talking about Wasenhaus - my restaurant gets our first allocation this fall, and I don’t want to be cut short -

On deck for lunch


Curious about your notes on the Vulkan!

Well, it turns out that I’m not a fan of the 2021 generic or Vulkan. Very happy to have tried it but not my cup of tea. Description here:

Please correct me if my technical notes taken off the web are off.

I’ll drink my others (including the Bellen) in a few years but I’m not jumping on the band wagon.


We cannot all like the same things :slightly_smiling_face:.

If you are still curious about German Pinot from some of the newcomers, but want a bit more fruit on the nose and palette, then maybe try Makalié’s 2020 Chapelle or Bleuwen (also comes with a bit of very well judged oak notes).

2020 Bleuwen can still be found in Germany for around 55€ (its the top wine from them)


Of course! I’ve had enough wine in my life not to judge a whole variety/region/vintage by a couple of bottles. I’ll still read this thread with interest and check a few other recommendations. You had mentioned that 2021 was lighter as well.

So keep those recos coming! :+1:


I would suggest Friedrich Becker’s wines. Have quite liked their wines that I have tried (doesn’t include the top bottlings so I guess those might be a step up as well - entry/mid level is great value for the money) and it’s a different style of German wines compared to Wasnehaus / Enderle&Moll.

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Had a Mobitz Kanzel 2014 last night at a restaurant. Such a shame he decided to stop making wine. This was utterly gorgeous - light and ethereal yet deep in berry and savory flavor. Lifting acids and just exactly the apex (to me) of maturity with shadings of aged notes accenting the fruit. Just so amazing.

In this year, we’ve had this and a slew of Wasenhaus at restaurants and my wife is now tilted to DE Spatb > Burgundies. Lol.


Glad to hear yours showed well too. Have a feeling that when we open a 2014 in 5-10 years time the grief level will move close to unbearable with regards to his decision to stop making wines.

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As I’m drinking a 2012 F. Becker Schweigener all I can think of is that this is a real class Spatburgunder that doesn’t get enough buzz around in this thread.

Undeniably great quality, different from Enderle&Moll/Wasenhaus (if they are not to your thing, try this and if they are your thing, try this), yet show the energy, focus and drive I love with those wines. Probably no surprise that some of Germany’s greatest restaurants/Somms keep their wines on their lists. Even this lower mid level priced wines in the lineup shows terrific with a bit more than 10 aging.

The wine and tannins grows as the night goes.
Cherries, red and darker berries, marsipan, forest floor, cinnamon and hint of coffee. Keeps showing more nuances with time, balance with salivating acidity and tannins - as mentioned the tannins gain weight over time from being quite timid to start with. Long finish that keeps changing and developing.

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Read about Becker a few times. Think I mainly stayed away because I’ve seen mentions of oak notes. How is the oak treatment?

It’s a good question. I have never been a woodophobic, however it needs be balanced for my preference.

I have always felt the wines I have tried (lower / mid level) been balanced and well judged related to the oak treatment, no oak tannins making it stand out or excessive flavors.

Knowing that you like E&M/Wasenhaus, I still think you would find this interesting and enjoy drinking it, maybe not to the same level though (I could be wrong and would be curious to hear if you tired them - or if you come to Amsterdam sometime I’d happily open one for you). On the other those who don’t enjoy wines like E&M/Wasenhaus will probably find this more to their liking.

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