Moise Belmont 2023
After a disappointing Chassagne rouge I wanted to try something new. This clearly belongs in the natural wine thread. Cloudy, muddy red, with a trace of fizz, overripe sweet strawberries. Could be mistaken for say a Foillard.
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I don’t know where you buy your Foillard, but mine never come cloudy muddy and fizzy.
What was the price on the Moise compared to Foillard?
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A friend brought over 2017 Philipp Kuhn Kirschgarten Spätburgunder GG and we enjoyed ourselves. Immediately pleasurable with a mixture of aged harmonious but still succulent pinot berry fruit, while also showing some of the earthy Spätburgunder notes that reminded us of the country of origin. The texture improves with air, silkier and prettier, although always with a touch of rusticity that I don’t mind.
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I mean the stewed fruit notes, so often found in “natural” wines. Some days of the week I am more tolerant of those than on others; yesterday was the latter.
About 30 eur.
They are better known for their Rieslings. 2010 Kirschgarten a couple years ago was out of this world.
Sure, but I would never consider Foillard a poster child for the flaws of natural wine. If anything, I would consider Foillard one of the more stable and reliable natural wines. I’ve been drinking them for 25 years, and maybe I’ve been lucky, but I’ve had very few off bottles.
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Good to know. Some of my buddies are fans and have been opening them. A few weeks ago I had the 2021 Burgweg Erste Lage Riesling, which was good but not exciting. The prices are certainly very reasonable.
I never connected stewed fruits with (red) “natural” wines. My first thought would probably be to connect it with “over” ripe red wines.
I had the 2022 (still have a bottle i wanted to hold a bit) and thought it was ripe, but very clean. His simple Spätburgunder 2022 was much more volatile and fizzy. I tasted his 2023s and I was a little disappointed by them. More disjointed than the 2022s. Still interesting, but not consistent.
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I didn’t use Foillard as a paragon of wine flaws, it was merely meant as a reference to a certain style: fruity, dense and deep, almost chewable. At least that’s how I got to know them, particularly the most recent vintages.
I obviously stepped on a minefield here. So no Spaetburgunder and no natural wines for a while. My wife will be doubly thankful.
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Yeah, maybe the paradigm is changing with the weather, but I still don’t benchmark 18, 20, 22 and 23 as ‘normal’. Dense and chewable was certainly not the historic Foillard style. Deep but juicy and gulpable. Who knows what the weather has in store for us in the future!
2014 Julg Spatburger Reserve.
Classical, medium dark fruits, savoury. Hautes Côtes style. Price in 2015 was £11 in bond.
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Nice. They weren’t on my radar until recently, and a friend is a big fan. Plans to open several for us in a few weeks.
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Enjoy. I have 6x 14/15/16 and this was the first to open.
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Last night I went to a Vom Boden tasting in East Bay led by Stephen Bitterolf. It included a fine Enderle & Moll 2022 Buntsandstein and for me, an eye-opening 2017 Andreas Durst N. Amazing florals and sandalwood on the nose. I wish I wrote some notes but recall the palate being along the lines of a higher acid Burgundy. The wine was simply delicious.
It was great to meet Stephen and go through a small selection of the portfolio too!
Tasting was at Best Friends in Albany, California, a recently opened wine bar. It focuses more on well-crafted natural wines and is a great addition to the Albany/Berkeley area.
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I really need to spend more time in Wine Talk. Who knew that there was a thread about Spatburgunder with almost 2,000 posts? 
So, I found this thread while I was considering where to put some thoughts about a 2019 Rings Kallstadter Steinacker Spatburgunder Trocken. I am no expert on German red wine, but this one is impressive to me. Darker in the glass than I expected, the wine is very full-bodied. It is gamey and full of juicy, tart, dark cherry/cherry pit and maybe pomegranite. Big as it seems, it has refreshing acidity and only moderate alcohol. I’ll bet this would slay with some game bird.
Anyway, I am a fan of this wine, and now I will look through this thread for more info about similar wines.
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Fwiw, my 2022 Enderle wines are here now, finally. Beat the tariff train…
As good as the Pinots are, the Lemberger wines are phenomenal, genuinely the best i’ve ever tasted. Definitely to be sought out by the German Red Wine cognoscenti.
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2022 Schäfer-Fröhlich Spätburgunder Blanc de Noir Trocken
Opened this after pruning my Pinot Noir vines. Made from 40 year old vines on volcanic soil from Stromberg. 100% Pinot Noir from free run juice. Extremely pale pink This had a touch of sweetness and was dominated by cherry notes. Medium bodied. A very well made wine from an excellent producer. Lively finish. 91-92 points.
VM
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I love this wine and many German Roses!
2012 Friedrich Becker Schweigen Pinot Noir
About 13 years later this is still drinking well. PnP and followed over 3 days.
Loads of red and dark berries, herbal notes and hint of vanilla which on day three was nowhere to be found.
Nice silky texture, yet tannic grip in the background. Lively acidity and a very long lingering finish.
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