not chard but I would recommend standing up the PN because there was a fair amount of fine sediment suspended when I had a bottle last fall - the wine is terrific though!
Thanks! Good to know. Maybe weâll try to decant that off. Think weâll serve it blind next to some burgs in March. â23 Chardo seems awfully youngâ maybe better to wait a year?
My Burgs are going to kill it 
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Has anyone tried the 2021 Keller Prestige Brut yet? No CT notes as of yet and the 2020 has been just pretty good in my experience.
This counts as a German chardonnay question right�
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Wrong thread! It is a Riesling.
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HAHAHA dammit I paid over $100 for a sparkling riesling. Disregard!
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Good German Chardonnay with a classic feel, some well judged noticable oak and good freshness?
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I totally agree, Huber and Wasenhaus are at the top when it comes to wines from Baden. Thatâs right!! I saw Huber wines the other day at Sonomas Best! 09 Huber Magnum Reserve sounds incredible!! I am a big fan of their Pinot Noirs as well.
Excited to hear your thoughts on the Greiner.
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Both Max Greiner and Dreissigacker use oak on their Chardonnay. The âEstate Winesâ are predominantly aged in neutral French oak. The Bechtheim Chardonnay from Dreissigacker has noticeably more French oak influence. The naturally higher acidity levels bring great freshness.
Happy to send you more info on all three of these wines, Lasse.
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One of the things I have come to realize in my exploration of German Chardonnay is how important the quality of oak is to making good Chardonnay. It is not just about the % of new it is about the quality of the oak. Only a few winemakers in Germany get the top barrels from France and damn does it make a differenceâŠ
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Of course they will, but I wanna see the guys sweat over it!
Exactly @Robert_Denticeâ that Burgundian oak is in the mix at Dostert. Curious if itâll throw some Burgnerds off course
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@LisaT we need to set up a German Chardonnay tasting in February or March for BARCS (Bay Area Riesling and Chardonnay Squad). I have a few, including the Bechtheim.
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I may have mentioned this before but Weingut Hofmann in Appenheim makes a rosĂ© of Chardonnay out of the Rosa Chardonnay clone. Apparently there are only 6 hectares in the world of this clone, half of which, IIRC, are in the town of Chardonnay in MĂącon. Itâs a fun oddity to try, but just that. Itâs more glou-glou than serious.
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Haha. It is always fun to challenge people with a blind in the mix.
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Not any Riesling, but old vines from Kirchspiel and Morstein (last year it was Burgel). Give it a chance, you might end up liking it.
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If you can find it, Rings Chardonnay VV 2023.
A mix of classic and wild, should please both camps.
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Given Jonas worked at Leflaive this makes sense. And I have never felt his Chardonnay was even close to be an over-oaked.
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For those that have tried both, is the Dostert Chardonnay similar stylistically to his 50/50 Chard/Elbling Pure Limestone cuvée?
Iâm sure as a Keller riesling itâs bound to be at least delicious! I just havenât found sparkling riesling to hit quite the highs of the traditional Champ grapes. Will keep an open mind!
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I would say it has some similarities but it is a bit closer to classical chard with some of the characteristics of what I love in natural wines namely energy.
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