Domaine Dujac vs. Dujac Fils & Pere

[Paul_R1]

Thanks. They have gone up a lot in the last couple of years like everything else. For the Domaine MSD and CM, I think I paid $70 for the '14s and $75/80 for the '15s. The '16s were $90 and '17s were $100. I am buying this year but starting to rethink future purchases. Thoughts?

[julianseersmartin]

Per Jeremey Seysses… the wine making is identical once fruit arrives into the Domaine… (oak/barrel treatment can be different based on wine maker decision of course).

Domaine Dujac = fruit owned by the domaine = 100% decision/action on the fruit/vineyard treatment
F & P = negotiant fruit, though they have input on vineyard treatment / pick, drop, etc decisions… but it’s not 100%.

I’m actually curious to try similar bottlings blind to see if i’m biased by the label.
Has anyone blinded the same vintage of say the MSD village and see?

I suspect the difference isn’t as night and day, but i wouldn’t be surprised the Domaine is better.

Yes, I have with the MSD and the domaine is markedly better.

Cool… good to know, thanks for feedback.

Follow up: can we have a bit more info? i.e. what vintages did you sample of each… and when you say markedly better… was nose more explose? palate more depth? complexity?
just curious as i love the producer.

thx!

Just 2013 IIRC of the F&P. It was good, don’t get me wrong. Not quite worth the money IMO but definitely not one to turn your nose up at. It was bought accidentally. Overall the Domaine bottlings are always very complete wines in my experience. The 13 F&P MSD had an overly glossy note to it, almost slutty - I prefer something a little bit more restrained. It could definitely jive with certain palates to be honest.

[Gabe_Berk]

Used to sell these wines back for Jacques and Jeremy Seysses along with their Provance brand called Domaine de Triennes.

Domaine Dujac uses grapes from their Grand Cru and Premier Cru holdings that they own while their Fils & Pere wines (think Burgundy Intro wines), not to be confused with Pere & Fils use grapes that are purchased (negociant). The Domaine wines always showed better than the Fils & Pere. Cost was also higher for the Domaine wines as they pay quite a bit more for the fruit in the long run than the negociant fruit. Both brands kick out great wines respectively.

Cool note is Jeremy Seysses is married to Diana Snowden of the Napa Valley Cabernet brand Snowden Vineyards. Power couple!!!

[Mark_Y]

Yes, I have with the MSD and the domaine is markedly better.

Cool… good to know, thanks for feedback.

Follow up: can we have a bit more info? i.e. what vintages did you sample of each… and when you say markedly better… was nose more explose? palate more depth? complexity?
just curious as i love the producer.

thx!

Just 2013 IIRC of the F&P. It was good, don’t get me wrong. Not quite worth the money IMO but definitely not one to turn your nose up at. It was bought accidentally. Overall the Domaine bottlings are always very complete wines in my experience. The 13 F&P MSD had an overly glossy note to it, almost slutty - I prefer something a little bit more restrained. It could definitely jive with certain palates to be honest.

Thanks Julian!

[erikportanger]

I buy the Dujac F&P chambolle religiously every year. Just a wonderful, pure little chambolle at a great price if you get it on release…
I don’t agree at all that the Domaine village wines are that much better. But even if we agree for argument’s sake that they are marginally superior, they’re also much harder to get hold of and more expensive. Try the F&P bottles without any preconceptions and I think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised.

[Mark_Y]

I buy the Dujac F&P chambolle religiously every year. Just a wonderful, pure little chambolle at a great price if you get it on release…
I don’t agree at all that the Domaine village wines are that much better. But even if we agree for argument’s sake that they are marginally superior, they’re also much harder to get hold of and more expensive. Try the F&P bottles without any preconceptions and I think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised.

Yah i think the blind side by side takes away the preconceptions.
to be fair, the domaine is about 15% more expensive… so it’s really if it’s 15% better… it doesn’t need to be 3x better or anything…
not like the F&P is given away for $20/btl

[julianseersmartin]

I buy the Dujac F&P chambolle religiously every year. Just a wonderful, pure little chambolle at a great price if you get it on release…
I don’t agree at all that the Domaine village wines are that much better. But even if we agree for argument’s sake that they are marginally superior, they’re also much harder to get hold of and more expensive. Try the F&P bottles without any preconceptions and I think you’ll be very pleasantly surprised.

I mean the distinction comes into play when you are talking release prices. The domaine MSD is fantastic value in comparison to the negoce version, and definitely worth the relatively small premium. Once you’re onto the secondary market then what you’re saying definitely holds true.