I was in a nice little restaurant recently, and I ordered a glass of wine off of their BTG list: Seghesio Angela’s Table Zinfandel. It was excellent, in my opinion. I decided to try to find some bottles on the web. Many retailers listed it, but they included images of Seghesio Sonoma Zinfandel with no mention on the front label of Angela or her table. I found one image of a rear label that mentioned Angela and her table. I wondered: if I order that wine, will I get the regular Sonoma Zin, or will I get Angela? I don’t remember if the image I found included a barcode. Could this be an example of the same wine being sold under two different names, one with a barcode sold to retailers, and one sold to restaurants without a barcode? The Seghesio website does not mention Angela, nor what she did with her goddamn table.
It may sound quaint, but I’d pick up the phone and call Seghesio …
I went back and found the image of the rear label.
No barcode. Which makes me think it will not be showing up in grocery stores. But it might show up in wine shops, who generally don’t use scanners. And it might show up in restaurants, which is where I found it. Perhaps I should go back to the restaurant where I ordered a glass. Their wine list showed it by the glass and by the bottle. I can order a bottle. Maybe the restaurant will tell me the name of the local distributor?
Something along the lines of this…?
Wine shops don’t use bar codes? Do you shop at the same places as Fred Flintstone?
Exactly.
But note that the front label makes no mention of Angela. If I order some, I wonder what the rear label will say.
It looks like it is their internal name for the entry level Sonoma Zin, but doesn’t show on the label anywhere. And the tech sheets are identical to what they call just Sonoma Zin.
I will see if I can get more and clear up the likely dupes in CT.
I agree with Andrew. I think one name is for supermarkets, and the other is for restaurants. Why else would the only differences be the name and the lack of a barcode?
As for David’s comment about Fred Flintstone, maybe I don’t get out much. I buy most of my wine online (Bedrock and Carlisle), but it seems to me that my local winemonger (Vinopolis, which I like quite a bit) does not use barcodes. Next time I visit, I will watch more carefully. And I will report back.
Thanks for everyone’s input. I plan to get to the bottom of this. This is an important matter of national security. I retired two weeks ago, and so I have tons of time to waste on this sort of foolishness. Expect my posts on WB to increase exponentially. Feel free to disregard if you do not enjoy foolishness. Or national security.
I sure try to. Heard the Bedrock wines are pretty darn good!
Yabba-dabba-do!
or email them
From Seghesio :
"Thank you for reaching out to us. These two wines are essentially the same other than Angela’s table is specifically produced for wholesale and Sonoma Zinfandel for DTC. The other vintages are on your website dropdown menu. Hope this helps!
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So our suspicions have been confirmed. They are the same wine.
The wine they show on their website is the same as what shows up in my supermarket. I get it that their website is DTC. But my supermarket is not. So I am still a bit confused. But only a little.
Of course, my local restaurant is clearly from a local wholesaler.
Had the same question, thanks for providing the answer!
I’ll add a note regarding their 2023 zin. It is not even technically a Sonoma one. The rear label says “82% Sonoma county, 10% San Joaquin county, 8% Contra Costa county”.
Good catch. It’s not really Sonoma Zin.
My local wine monger (or one of my many winemongers) talked to his sales rep for Seghesio’s local distributor (actually it’s a large national distributor) and I can now say that I have a case of Angela’s Table sitting in my basement for a cost of $14 per bottle. It is identical to the two labels you posted (thank you), except it says Angela’s Table on the rear label, and the rear label lacks a bar code. Otherwise, the labels are identical. In my opinion, it is intended for restaurants, while yours is intended for supermarkets.
You will recall that my original post said I had a glass of Angela’s in a restaurant, and I really liked it. (I am a zin guy.) But I never saw the bottle. So I hope my case is the same as the restaurant served me. The restaurant is three hours away and is on vacation until February. But I plan to return and see if I can order a bottle, just to make sure it is the same as stated on their wine list. I have not opened any of the bottles in my case because I have older stuff I need to drink, and my wife is on Dry January.
That’s all I know up to this point.
Great price! I bought a bottle at Costco last Sunday, it was $18.39 before the sales tax. I have notes for 2010, 2013, and 2022 vintages, and they all were actually coming from Sonoma county as per front or rear labels, so it could be the very first time they are mixing grapes from several different counties in this series.
Was the wine at Costco the “regular” with barcode, or the Angela’s with no barcode?
I am going to guess barcode, since everything at Costco gets scanned by the cashiers. (I remember when Costco didn’t have scanners. I vaguely recall that one person would read off the numbers and another person would key them in. Is my memory faulty?)