As some would know that Selosse has moved to NFC in recent years for traceability reasons. I just received some bottles I bought from a secondary marketplace where the NFC just wouldn’t scan (I tried with multiple phones). However, the label looked intact and it doesn’t seem tampered with.
Has anyone encountered something like this before with Selosse bottles? How do they disable the NFC without destroying the label? I’m guessing this is done to prevent the tracking/traceability…
Maybe it just failed.
I assume you could fry it with a strong enough magnet…
I havent encountered this. I’ll check on my current release bottles when i get them in a few weeks.
I’m not saying that they are counterfeit, but if they were, having something that looked like an NFC chip that wouldn’t scan would be a likely thing to include.
Its pretty hard to make an individual NFC chip fail (think about how you treat credit cards and how well they scan - same technology). Its extremely unlikely that all would fail across multiple bottles.
The label would have been unpeeled and the NFC just removed.
It should be noted by the seller though.
I’ve seen bottles where people took a sharp object to the NFC antenna in the label…
Needless to say this is intentional so Selosse can’t track which store sold their bottles to auction, etc
I have 2 phones and other Selosse bottlings. Both phones worked with other bottlings using the WID app, but it seems like NFC won’t scan on these bottles I received from a secondary market shipment.
What seems weird is that the label seems intact but it doesn’t read… But counterfeit Initial? 
A lot of wine has been counterfeited worth less than a Selosse Initial.
That being said, someone could use a very strong magnet to impact the NFC chip without showing any physical damage as well. A motivated person could ensure the NFC chip is no longer active without damaging the label or the wine.
The disgorgement for those bottles is from either 2023 or 2024, as that’s when Selosse began implementing NFC tags. All of the Selosse we offer comes through direct allocations in France, and in many cases, our suppliers will deactivate the NFC chips to avoid issues related to cross-market resale.
That’s also why we list them as “recent disgorgement” rather than providing exact dates—once the chip is deactivated, there’s unfortunately no way to scan or retrieve the data.
If there’s anything else we can help with, just let us know—we’re always glad to assist.
The response I got from the place I bought it from. Maybe it’s a magnet, lol
I have had a failed RFID chip before in a direct from distributor bottle, so that one was unlikely to be counterfeit unless it was intercepted mid supply chain
Wonder if one day a retail sale would be contingent on a working NFC chip. Like returning a corked bottle. Not going to happen tomorrow but seems at least minimally plausible long term or what’s the point. Maybe producers need to both number bottles and have a NFC chip.
“Issues related to cross-market resale.” That’s a “funny” way of putting it. Ahh, the beloved gray market, if it didn’t exist you’d have to invent it.
I don’t see how they’re getting direct allocations if there’s a supplier that tampers with the bottles before they get them. I’ve got all of my Selosse so far (not much admittedly) from the winery or from small shops in France and the chips always work.
Your bottles could very well be legit, but unless I got them for an enormous discount, I’d probably want my money back instead of spending a ton of money on (and time and space storing) bottles that were missing their anti-counterfeit measure. It’s very convenient for the seller to say “Oh no, our supplier intentionally destroys your ability to verify the authenticity of the bottles, and of course, it’s for a good, sensible reason.”
Selosse uses quite unique bottles. I imagine (but don’t know) those are pretty hard to duplicate.
Doesn’t exclude refilling I suppose. Nor does the chip.
Old thread but fyi a lot of resellers/people who get their allocation from selosse disable their nfc so their reselling is untraceable. It takes more than a strong magnet or a puncture to the nfc strip to disable it; resellers usually have a special electromafnetic tool to strip NFC of its information. I’ve had more than one such bottle and they all seemed ok so as long as you bought from a credible source I think you are fine (but obviously caveat emptor)
