Step away from this thread for 40 pages and OOOOOOOOH BOY. Selling storage until a given date for a price and then knowingly (as in, they weren’t held in a third party storage facility and released early by mistake, this was as DN decision) shipping before that is an unforgivable mistake IMO. Given the current 100 degree heatwave in Napa, I’m not sure what in the world gave them the idea to just go ahead and start shipping… This would be chargeback material for me if a company basically just told me to kick rocks like that.
Thanks. So I guess I haven’t missed much.
No joke, I 100% agree with the way he pronounces it. It’s how I did in my head from day 1. But I also am an ignorant American with no concept of how the phrase would read in a native language. Which I guess would be French?
But yah dey NEGOSHEY is how I say it.
I disagree. It’s been pretty amazing. Ton of debate whether these wines are same/similar as the producer or knock offs and what the true value is. Lots of personal attacks as well, mostly against me. But Rodrigo got the rest right.
Yeah, I thought about mentioning the personal attacks, but figured we don’t need to stir those up again.
Now that I think about it, is Cam finally going to release that $300 for $18 in honour of this thread’s 5,000th post? Should we just spam the thread for a bit to speed up the offer?
I do cringe a bit whenever Cam says it the way he does, but maybe I’m a bit snobbish that way? I don’t think Cam’s decision is wrong though. Most people aren’t going to be able to pronounce it properly, so why not just embrace butchering it? Just wanted an official verdict from our cult leader now that you officially accepted the position. Are we doing a crowing ceremony when the wines arrive?
Negoce Pronunciation: How to Pronounce Negoce - YouTube
Haven’t gotten any shipment confirmations yet but luckily it’s cooled down quite a bit where I am so, I’m not too worried about it either way.
Speaking of chards, that second one, listed at 14.5%!! I’m a little worried about how that might drink but I’m no Cali chard expert. Seems like that has to drink a little hot though no?
Received a reply back from them saying they will hold my wines until Nov 1 (I’m in SoCal). I also inquired regarding their stabilization techniques and they responded that “our wines are sterile filtered which means they can withstand getting warm in the bottle without any damage. Unless the wine has seeped up and through the cork, it will not be damaged for either short term or long term. Cameron has shipped millions of cases in his career and is confident in this assessment.”
To more experienced people on the board - I was under the impression that sterile filtration was to help prevent microbiological spoilage due to contamination. How does this also prevent heat damage, or the wines being cooked?
Not an expert on filtration but I would imagine heat exposure is a primary catalyst for microbial “bloom” if the wine is left un-filtered. This is where bret and other off flavors can come from.
I have really enjoyed “naturally” presented wines in the past including ones that claim to be presented unfined and unfiltered. I have found these wines to evolve more in the glass and from bottle age as well so I hope these DN wines are not excessively filtered.
Not this again!
“In line with Cam?”
Well, since it’s his company, and he came up with the name, and that’s how he says it, that’s how it’s said.
My whole comment was one in jest. Not one to discredit one form of pronunciation over the other.
I don’t disagree with you that Cam has preferences in how it’s pronounced. However if we are to say that Cam has sole authority to decide how it’s pronounced, then how do we balance that when we consider Cam’s public comments that the French way to pronounce it is “correct” pronunciation but he personally prefers his version?
This whole issue around which pronunciation is correct is nothing new in linguistics and always brings up a lot of debate. We don’t need to look hard in modern vernacular were multiple diverging pronunciations are accepted. We need only to look at country names as an example. Should we all start calling Germany Deutschland or Spain España, or Japan Nipon? What about other non english languages, are French speakers wrong when the refer to Deutschland as Allemagne? Are Americans just completely mispronouncing Porche? Jaguar? Peugeot? BMW?
I’m not making an assertion that one way is the “correct” pronunciation of something and that everything else is wrong. Rather, I take the linguistic approach that so long as a particular pronunciation of a name is widely used, accepted, and understood enough within a particular local then it’s a valid pronunciation of that thing.
I think Cam just decided to butcher the French pronunciation to simply make people conformable with pronouncing it the “wrong” way. Which is to say, I think that was the whole spirit of what Cam was trying to get at with his pronunciation of de Negoce is this: just pronounce it however the fuck you want.
Here’s the real question for those active on this thread and others:
How many of you regularly purchase a full case of many if not any wines regardless of price? I think it is an honest question . . .
I just want to put things into perspective if at all possible.
Most folks I know purchase 3-6 bottles max of most of their ‘favorite’ wines and I never hear of them purchasing many by the case - except if they are going to have a party or something. Variety is the spice of life, right?
Cheers.
Larry, I don’t recall ever buying a full case of any wine. Like you said, it’s typically 3 or 6 and sometimes even 1s and 2s, depending on price, etc.
As for these wines, every case I’ve bought (8) has been split in some ways (I’m keeping anywhere from 9 to 3).
Part of reason for these large quantity purchases is honestly the price and perceived value.
Based on what I typically spend per bottle, these are by far the lowest priced, so I can justify the purchases a bit based on what I would normally spend on 1 to 3 bottles.
I have never bought a case of wine. I usually won’t buy more than 3 - 4 bottles of a single vintage/type.
Granted I’m in on 4-5 cases of DN but range from 2 - 4 bottles per case that actually coming to me personally.
My father buys 2 buck chuck by the case … but that’s cuz its super cheap.
Looks like more shipments are on their way. Wine Country Connect printed more UPS labels for me this AM.
Same. I have never bought a case of a specific wine before. Now I’ve got 7 cases coming…
Only bought a full case a couple times, usually because it’s a great deal on a wine we love (Scherrer Quarantine Pinot deal) or super cheap. DN falls into the latter category. Love affair TBD. Got my first case today, OG#6. Planning to pop one tonight.
Larry, most of my purchases are or 3 or 6 bottles. But I’ll probably buy a handful full cases a year of a few wines. Those are purchased in full case format for a few reasons:
One is as you mentioned for parties/gathering. But for the most part its not a situation where I’m buying 1-2 cases for a party that upcoming weekend. It’s mostly because I know there will be several occasions over the course of a year where people will come over and I’ll want to serve them wine, so I stock up on a range affordable and reliable offerings to keep on hand so I can both serve them and provide enough diversity. It’s also nice to be able to age these a bit and see how they evolve with friends and family.
The other part of my by the case consumption is there’s a few wines because consumption of it is just large and it’s easier to stock up a case at a time. Some of these are also part of the “party wines” I mentioned above, but some of them are things like champagne, or a relative’s favourite wine. It’s just easier to have a few reliable ones on hand for whenever and buying those by the case just makes sense for me personally. In line what that also a few favourites that are enjoyed both young and aged so in order to satisfy both ends of the demand curve I purchase full cases (or more) of them, otherwise they’d all be consumed early.
Then there’s also wines that I purchase by the case because of the way it’s sold and there’s no other way to get it, BDX EP mostly, though now dN as well 
Ask and ye shall receive… N.50 posted, Walla Walla Cab.